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To: SmartCitizen
The notion of "Good science" is quite arbitrary.

No, it most definitely isn't. Sounds a lot like relativism, to me.

There are many scientists who question and reject neodarwinism, on scientific grounds.

As I pointed out before, the biological community is almost 100% unanimous in its support of evolutionary theory, because it empirically works to describe nature. No other scientific theory explains biodiversity and the fossil record. Dissenting voices among educated scientists are a very, very, very tiny minority indeed, and none of them have been able to produce any evidence against evolution that withstands even a little scientific scrutiny.

Whether science is good or not is dictated by one's worldview and a priori assumptions. Worldview determines everything.

Wrong. Whether science is "good" or not is dictated by its ability to create a consistent model to explain observations and its ability to predict observations that have not yet been made. Evolution has succeeded on these grounds. Creationism and intelligent design have failed. It's that simple.

For example, a secular humanist does not believe in God, and will invariably believe in evolution because it is the only theory that fits his idea of a godless cosmos...

Just because (almost) all of A believes in B, does not mean B implies a belief in A. Evolutionary theory is in no way dependent on secular humanism, and many religious people (including devout Christians) acknowledge that evolution is good science.

...that all of reality can be reduced to material forces, that human beings have no intrinsic value (which only comes from being created in God's image), and that all religion is superstitious nonsense.

Evolutionary theory says none of these things. You are either drawing false connections or repeating a mantra that has been passed on to you.

The rest of your comments, which are about religion, have nothing to do with evolution in one way or the other. A belief in God and evolution are not mutually exclusive.

The science behind evolution is on solid ground. This has been well supported by modern science, and you have provided no information that shows otherwise.

240 posted on 10/03/2005 1:50:54 PM PDT by Quark2005 (Where's the science?)
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To: Quark2005
As I pointed out before, the biological community is almost 100% unanimous in its support of evolutionary theory, because it empirically works to describe nature.

100% huh? I've heard that before but I doubt it. I know a professor of biology at Texas St. Univ. in my church who is Christian and creationist. That's one example right off the bat. Nevertheless, the scientific community has bene wrong many times - phlogiston comes to mind.

Just because (almost) all of A believes in B, does not mean B implies a belief in A. Evolutionary theory is in no way dependent on secular humanism, and many religious people (including devout Christians) acknowledge that evolution is good science.

There is a definite correlation. I would bet that you may be lucky to find one single secular humanist who believes in creationism. I didn't say evolution it was dependent on humanism, but evolution is a wonderful and convenient refuge for all of those god-haters out there.

Evolutionary theory says none of these things. You are either drawing false connections or repeating a mantra that has been passed on to you.

Didn't say it did. But atheists do flock to it. Marx and Stalin sure loved the theory. It must be the law of unintended consequences, hmm?

245 posted on 10/03/2005 2:50:19 PM PDT by SmartCitizen
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To: Quark2005

I have news for you - a mindless random process like evolution does not impute any intrinsic value to human beings. Why do you think there is such a crisis in our youth today? I believe it is because there is a crisis of meaninglessness. Kids are taught that they evolved from chimps and that the cosmos is all there is or ever will be. No wonder they go bananas. No wonder the young mass murderers in our schools do not value life. They are taught that it's meaningless. If that is all there is, then rules are also meaningless and so is life in the final analysis. They get it.


247 posted on 10/03/2005 3:04:09 PM PDT by SmartCitizen
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