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Racial differences of opinion
US News & World Report ^ | 9/16/05 | Michael Barone

Posted on 09/16/2005 7:09:28 PM PDT by flixxx

Racial differences of opinion

Here's an uncomfortable subject: Why do black Americans see some issues so totally differently from the way nonblack Americans see them?

The obvious examples before us are the polls that show large majorities of blacks saying that the Bush administration slowed relief to Katrina victims because so many of them were black, and large majorities of whites saying just the opposite. (Pause for factual note: Most Katrina victims, of course, were white: Orleans Parish has a black majority, but the other Louisiana parishes and the Mississippi and Alabama counties hit by Katrina have white majorities.) Here are results from a USA Today/CNN/Gallup poll conducted September 8 to 11.

Just your best guess, do you think one reason the federal government was slow in rescuing these people was because many of them were black, or was that not a reason?

(snip)---((table did not reproduce well))

I am reminded of the polls taken immediately after O.J. Simpson's criminal trial, which showed that a large majority of blacks thought he was not guilty and a larger majority of whites thought he was guilty. At the time, I wondered whether black respondents really believed he had not killed his wife or whether they were just expressing something in the nature of solidarity with him. Looking at results like these, I wonder something similar: Aren't these black respondents just expressing their dislike or even hatred for George W. Bush, rather than embracing the absurd position that the federal government would move slowly to rescue people because many of them—many, not most, as Gallup was careful to ask—were black?


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To: rdb3

LOL, Ok... G'night


61 posted on 09/16/2005 11:35:37 PM PDT by FireTrack
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To: Born in a Rage

"It's the truth and everybody knows it."

The crime statistics certainly back you up.


62 posted on 09/17/2005 3:57:06 AM PDT by Archidamus (We are wise because we are not so highly educated as to look down on our laws and customs)
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To: rdb3
OT

Welcome back :)

63 posted on 09/17/2005 4:15:19 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Magnificent desolation. --first words of the second man to step on the moon)
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To: Archidamus
"The crime statistics certainly back you up."

Major Findings of
The Color of Crime

• Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities.

Crime Rates

• Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.

• When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.

• Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.

• The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.

Interracial Crime

• Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.

• Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.

• Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.

• Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.

Gangs

• Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.

• Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.

Incarceration

• Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million.

• Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely.

The Color of Crime


64 posted on 09/17/2005 7:52:48 AM PDT by FireTrack
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To: FireTrack

IMHO, if we had a tiny bit R-E-S-P-E-C-T, to borrow a phrase from that great song by Aretha Franklin, we could at least begin to actually solve some of the racial problems of today.


65 posted on 09/17/2005 8:17:53 AM PDT by FireTrack
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To: FireTrack

Slain Carjacking Victim Mourned
(refugee thug carjacked her)

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/4981224/detail.html

Criminals a concern in shelters
Hundreds of parolees, sex offenders may be among evacuees in area

http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/news/city/tarrant/stories/DN-katparolees_11met.ART.North.Edition2.423ff66.html

Austin sends evacuee sex offenders to motel:

http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/txcn/austin/stories/091305kvue2KatSexoffender-cb.54f98560.html

Overcrowded Baton Rouge Coping With New Status: Louisiana's Largest City

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1509442/20050913/index.jhtml?headlines=true


66 posted on 09/17/2005 8:25:38 AM PDT by No Blue States
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To: SerpentDove

The race profiteers will never be satisfied with improvement; nothing short of perfection will do.


67 posted on 09/17/2005 8:48:08 AM PDT by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: mhking; rdb3
BillyBob, you need not apologize for people who "ought to know better." I submit that they DO know better, but would rather show their true colors -- everyone else be damned.

Seems like there is a lot of race-baiting on both sides.

FReepers are people. Most are white, many are black. So friggin' what? I can't say N....r, but any time one of the brothers wants to cop an attitude, then it is OK.

I have survived almost 58 years. Much of it was spent around navy bases, and military kids. They came in all flavors. I didn't see much racism. I saw kids playing together, like their parents did. Some bigots existed.

In 1963, I returned to NC, and graduated high school in 1965. I went into the Navy 66-68, and went back home.

In the early 70's, all kinds of crap happened in Wilmington, my home. Ben Chavis came to town. Do any of you remember the "Wilmington Ten"?

My boss's brother owned a furniture store, L. Schwartz Furn., located on fourth St. It was burned to the ground, and the W10 were responsible. They were rabble rousers.

Louis Schwartz started business in the early 20's. He would leave home on Monday, before dawn, and travel all week, selling chairs and tables, and pots and pans, on credit. Most of his customers were black. He collected from them monthly.

During the depression, many of those poor blacks came to know the man's goodness. He would load his wagon with food and necessary items weekly, and make his rounds as before. But, many, he KNEW, could never pay for what he took to them. Guys, I have no animosity toward any man, due to his birth color. I do however, have a great animosity to a GROUP who can laud and elevate Ben Chavis to their leadership.

You are displaying more racism on this board, than any of those you are ATTACKING (yes, rdb3).

I read you, Mike. You are showing your real colors. Mine are Red, white, and blue. I appreciate the wit, and intelligent comments, which you present. I was quick to post my desire for you to stay, when you poasted so frustratingly, the other day. I repeat that same sentiment today, for you all.

We are all individuals. Each has his/her own set of values, instilled since childhood, and further developed, as adults. That is what we bring to the table.

I would not have know any of you were black, until you made that clear. So what, my skin is pink...

Intolerance is a symptom we must all seem to share. Your color/religion/or whatever difference, you possess, is irrelevant, to most of us. The true bigots, can be ignored. They will eventually go away, when nobody listens, nor responds.

I just wish we could all get along... but, we won't! We are only human!

68 posted on 09/17/2005 8:55:13 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: rdb3

I'm glad your back. I hope you're feeling better and you're healing quickly. Take care.


69 posted on 09/17/2005 9:05:18 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: anonymoussierra
I try not to come on these threads sierra, they deteriorate very quickly and leave no one standing.
70 posted on 09/17/2005 9:18:20 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pageonetoo
You are displaying more racism on this board, than any of those you are ATTACKING (yes, rdb3).

I don't accept your premise, and you are going to have to come back with some empirical evidence that I have ever said or implied anything racist on Free Republic since the day I got here. That means you have a lot of work to do.

Back it up or retract.


If you want a Google GMail account, FReepmail me.
They're going fast!

71 posted on 09/17/2005 9:26:37 AM PDT by rdb3 (I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. --Philippians 4:13)
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To: rdb3
Back it up or retract.

Why bother? You, apparently, would rather just rant, and respond to your perceptions of alleged racism.

The title of this thread is "Racial differences of opinion." You are making a good case for the writer!

72 posted on 09/17/2005 9:46:09 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: pageonetoo
Why bother?

Because what you stated was a lie, and no lie against me will stand if I have anything to do about it.

You, apparently, would rather just rant, and respond to your perceptions of alleged racism.

Wrong again. I'm not a worthless Michael Savage type. Ranting isn't my style. If I say it, I can back it up with evidence. See above.


If you want a Google GMail account, FReepmail me.
They're going fast!

73 posted on 09/17/2005 9:59:22 AM PDT by rdb3 (I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. --Philippians 4:13)
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To: pbrown

thank you good friend how are you?


74 posted on 09/17/2005 10:10:03 AM PDT by anonymoussierra ("The wisdom of the wise and the experience of ages-Isaac Disraeli")
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To: rdb3; All; pbrown; Peach; silent_jonny; jb6; GarySpFc; sergey1973; Chgogal; Gucho; blackie; ...



“Please all of you good people of heart of great nation” On a shining hill” you have to unite. You are all Americans you need to unite and help each other. Of eto I am reading is not unity; you have to unite this is time of you to show you love one another.”


thank you all be strong!!!!


75 posted on 09/17/2005 10:16:20 AM PDT by anonymoussierra ("The wisdom of the wise and the experience of ages-Isaac Disraeli")
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To: pageonetoo
Pageonetoo, I think you gave your opinion as openly, honest and from the heart as I have ever seen. The fact that you did not receive a reciprocal response speaks volumes and leaves me feeling kinda sad...
76 posted on 09/17/2005 10:27:28 AM PDT by FireTrack
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To: rdb3
...Because what you stated was a lie,

Actually, it is not. You have set yourself up as the FR "Political Correctness" police. You have made comments to me personally, and to many others, that came STRICTLY from your attitude. You accuse others, CONSTANTLY, of some form of bigotry.

I have no animosity toward you. I am not finding the same, in your constant posts to people based on your PERCEPTIONS of prejudice, or bigotry.

This is a forum of OPINION. As the saying goes, "Opinions are like a..holes. Everybody's got one..." Yours always seem to have the same tone!

(btw, why are you pimping google?)

77 posted on 09/17/2005 10:41:03 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: FireTrack
Pageonetoo, I think you gave your opinion as openly, honest and from the heart as I have ever seen. The fact that you did not receive a reciprocal response speaks volumes and leaves me feeling kinda sad...

I do believe I responded in #71. I could be wrong, but I think I did.


If you want a Google GMail account, FReepmail me.
They're going fast!

78 posted on 09/17/2005 10:41:47 AM PDT by rdb3 (I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. --Philippians 4:13)
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To: anonymoussierra
I'm fine, thank you for asking. This Louisiana heat and humidity keeps me mostly indoors now.

How are you friend?

79 posted on 09/17/2005 10:42:02 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pageonetoo; mhking
Actually, it is not.

Yes, it was.

You have set yourself up as the FR "Political Correctness" police.

Nonsense. What I have a problem with is the absolute refusal of people to differentiate and apply to all the thoughts and actions of one. That's not gonna happen anymore.

Also, the day where the "anti-PC shield" is effective is now over. Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I don't stand for it. Then again, you can't slide stupidity by me then hide behind the "Oh, I just not PC" BS.

Right is right. Wrong is wrong.

You have made comments to me personally, and to many others, that came STRICTLY from your attitude.

Attitude? If only you knew.

You accuse others, CONSTANTLY, of some form of bigotry.

Back that one up with some facts. That's a fair request.

I have no animosity toward you. I am not finding the same, in your constant posts to people based on your PERCEPTIONS of prejudice, or bigotry.

That's laughable.

This is a forum of OPINION. As the saying goes, "Opinions are like a..holes. Everybody's got one..." Yours always seem to have the same tone!

The truth will always have the same tone.


If you want a Google GMail account, FReepmail me.
They're going fast!

80 posted on 09/17/2005 10:50:15 AM PDT by rdb3 (I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. --Philippians 4:13)
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