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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 8
Various News Outlets | 7/19/05

Posted on 07/19/2005 10:21:13 AM PDT by TexKat



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: aruba; equusearch; joran; kalpoes; natalee; nataleeholloway; vandersloots
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Looks like the SCOTUS chat
is going to boot Greta's show.


341 posted on 07/19/2005 6:25:18 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
in THAT case, Greta's show will be very revealing tonite if she has Miller on...but she is still in aruba, I think, and might be reluctant to go too far in laying this at the feet of the arubans while there

Greta is back in the US.

Mystic Mystery

Tuesday, July 19, 2005

Now that I am back in the USA, I can more easily access the show e-mail account (hence the number of e-mails posted today.) It means that I can try and catch up on answering many of the e-mails sent to me and also means I can put all of you to work writing the blog and I can sit back for a day and rest.

But before I post your e-mails, let me answer one question that I have been getting in many e-mails and that is whether or not a psychic (search) is being used in the search for Natalee Holloway (search). As it turns out, on my most recent trip to Aruba, I was introduced to a psychic during a search mission that we were taping.

I was told that she had been down there for several weeks and I don't know who asked her to come and I don't know if she is being paid. I do know that many in the search group were unhappy with her — and complaining that she was unsuccessful and that she was in the way of the search. I have no idea if indeed she was a hindrance to the search or not — or if the long hours and the heat contributed to people not getting along. My interaction with her was so brief that I did not get her name — I was simply introduced in passing and later someone told me who she is. I have no more information about her than that.

342 posted on 07/19/2005 6:25:18 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat; All

ok, I plead guilty of not having known Grets'a whereabouts today :)

I hope she's got Miller scheduled


343 posted on 07/19/2005 6:28:32 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: TexKat

Possibly. Where is he? Nobody even seems to be looking for him. I have web searched this every single day since his name was mentioned in the AM Digital report, nothing. Is there any truth to the alien abduction theories?/sarcasm People are just vanishing from Aruba.


344 posted on 07/19/2005 6:30:47 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: auboy

Good one1 LOL


345 posted on 07/19/2005 6:31:22 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: sarasota

"...Mediums, I thought, went into a trance. Sounds like this one was able to take notes, so no trance?"

Takes notes in between naps.


346 posted on 07/19/2005 6:32:37 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: truthluva

The last that I heard is that his truck was found but he was still missing and then nothing more.


347 posted on 07/19/2005 6:33:41 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

Missing on the same day a nearly decapitated man was found in a cemetary who happened to work at Valero where they happen to have an incinerator. Something to think about. Or, a big coincidence. Don't know but am filing it away in the back of my mind for later.


348 posted on 07/19/2005 6:35:46 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: Canadian Outrage
Been watching the news... we have visited the Okanagan Valley... if I remember, Kelowan is one of the largest cities.... we like Peachland... and of course loved the beautiful fruit in the valley and the delightful wine... I worked in Vancouver helping establish ties to South East Asia.. in the banking industry.. but we went camping beside Lake Okanagan several summers in a row... my core work is in International Economics so I have been blessed to often move around the U.S., Mexico, Costa Rica, Venezuela, Spain, Morocco and of course, Canada.. my better half (Bob) is an Industrial Engineer... who started me on this path while he was building a distribution center in Spain... We really enjoyed Canada..
349 posted on 07/19/2005 6:38:29 PM PDT by Fritzy (Fritzy)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
"On the Record" Topics and Guests: July 19

Tuesday, July 19, 2005

Airs Weekdays at 10 p.m. ET•Today's Show•E-mail the Show: ontherecord@foxnews.com•Greta Van Susteren's Bio•Read the GretaWirePast Shows•Past Show Archive•Interview Archive Go "On the Record" weeknights at 10 p.m. ET

President Bush announces his nominee for the U.S. Supreme Court (search). We'll get reaction from Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and Susan Estrich, USC law professor and former Supreme Court clerk.

Does the blonde hair that washed up on an Aruba beach belong to Natalee Holloway? (search) As she waits for DNA test results, we'll be joined by Natalee's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty.

Plus, two of Natalee's best friends go "On the Record." Do they think Joran van der Sloot (search) is responsible for her disappearance?

And, an Aruba park ranger was collecting trash when he made a shocking discovery. He'll tell us what he found and why he immediately called the police!

350 posted on 07/19/2005 6:42:20 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: truthluva
Missing on the same day a nearly decapitated man was found in a cemetary who happened to work at Valero where they happen to have an incinerator. Something to think about. Or, a big coincidence. Don't know but am filing it away in the back of my mind for later.

Its been active in the front of my mind ever since it was reported June 11th. The same day the reports of the confession, and supposed ALE being taken to the scene of the deceased body of Natalee.

351 posted on 07/19/2005 6:48:31 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: presently no screen name
Good thought.. Arubans would truly hid as much as possible from any U.S. research/discovery team... remembering the disdain when the FBI arrived... My intuition tells me a start would be in Holland.. with as close to the Monarchy as possible.. to be "invited" as an outside Team... to "support" the new Police Administration.. with a team that included some citizens from Holland... OK.. just a thought.. but in my experience, the higher in the Administering "food chain" you can convince of the value of the "product".. the better the chance of success... Seriously, I hope that Beth has someone in Holland working the issue..
352 posted on 07/19/2005 6:48:52 PM PDT by Fritzy (Fritzy)
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To: TexKat

Susan Estridge is on Greta right now. I swear they should send het to Gitmo and just let her talk. Doesn't matter what she talks about, she her voice alone will make them crazy. Now that's torture!


353 posted on 07/19/2005 7:10:59 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: TexKat

Stick some Mickey Mouse ears on Frances Ellen Byrd !!! (sorry - every time I see her I start singing M - I - C - K - E - Y - M - O - U - S - E!!!)


354 posted on 07/19/2005 7:19:29 PM PDT by countryconservative (<<<<< original FR start date 9/21/01 <<<<<)
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To: Fritzy; Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; grizzfan; ...
Suspects In Natalee Holloway Disappearance To Undergo DNA Testing

ORANJESTAD, Aruba - A suspect in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager and two men who had been held in the case were ordered Tuesday to undergo DNA testing, NBC News has learned.

Aruba suspects to undergo DNA testing

Updated: 9:22 p.m. ET July 19, 2005 ORANJESTAD, Aruba - A suspect in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager and two men who had been held in the case were ordered Tuesday to undergo DNA testing, NBC News has learned.

The district attorney ordered the testing for Joran van der Sloot, the 17-year-old in custody, and Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, NBC's Sue Kroll reported. The court will release the reason for the testing Wednesday, Kroll has learned.

Investigators said Monday they would conduct DNA tests on blond hair attached to duct tape that was found along Aruba's coast to see if it came from Natalee Holloway in a possible break to the 6-week-old mystery.

A park ranger found the duct tape while collecting trash Sunday on rocks at Boca Tortuga, an inlet near a series of caves on Aruba's northeast coast, said National Park Ranger Service spokeswoman Dilma Arends.

Boca Tortuga is on the opposite side of Aruba from where the 18-year-old was last seen in public, and her father expressed little hope that the find would yield an important clue.

"We've had a lot of information that turned out false," David Holloway said as he prepared to leave Aruba and return home to Meridian, Miss.

Several strands of hair

The ranger who made the find, Mario Rasmijn, said there were several strands, each about 12 inches long, and that some were light blond and others were dark.

The hair will be sent to the Netherlands for DNA analysis, said police spokesman Edwin Comemencia. Aruba, a Dutch protectorate, doesn't have a lab to conduct the genetic testing.

A separate test will be conducted by the FBI at its lab in Quantico, Va., said FBI spokeswoman Judy Orihuela in Miami.

It was unknown when the results would be disclosed.

Searches by Dutch marines, Aruban police, and some 2,000 volunteers have found no trace of Holloway, of Mountain Brook, Ala., who was last seen in public in the early hours of May 30, at the end of a high school graduation trip to the Caribbean island.

A volunteer group from Dickinson, Texas, that had searched for three weeks left the island Sunday.

Van der Sloot, a Dutch resident of Aruba, has been detained in connection with Holloway's disappearance, but no charges have been filed. The Surinamese Kalpoe brothers — Deepak, 21, and Satish, 18 — had been arrested but were released July 5.

David Holloway said he tried to visit van der Sloot in jail Saturday because "I wanted Joran to meet with me and tell me face to face what happened."

Authorities did not allow the meeting, and Holloway ran into the detained youth's father, a judge in training on the island, outside the jail.

Father-to-father talk

Holloway said he gave the elder van der Sloot, Paul, three books to pass along to his son — the Bible and two Christian inspirational works. It was not immediately known if Joran received the material.

Paul van der Sloot was detained on June 23 for allegedly aiding his son, but released four days later by a judge who ruled there was not enough evidence to hold him.

Outside the jail, the two men exchanged a few words. "I said I was a forgiving person," and the Dutch father's eyes filled with tears, Holloway said.

"He said he understands my situation, that he's a father, too, and that he'll do anything for his son," Holloway said.

Authorities can hold van der Sloot until Sept. 4, when he must be charged or released. Six other men, including the Kalpoes, detained at various times during the investigation have been released.

Also over the weekend, the missing teen's family posted a new reward of $175,000 for her safe return in addition to the $50,000 already offered for a tip to her whereabouts.

355 posted on 07/19/2005 7:21:20 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: truthluva

LOL!!


356 posted on 07/19/2005 7:22:15 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: countryconservative

Why Greta has her as a guest I'll never know. She may have good intent but offers NOTHING.


357 posted on 07/19/2005 7:25:28 PM PDT by maggief (No 'luffs')
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To: countryconservative
I wonder why the other student Katherine Weatherly hesitated in answering one of Greta's question until Frances Ellen shook her head no.
358 posted on 07/19/2005 7:25:37 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Dark Skies

"Does the name Van der Straaten mean anything to you?..."

Not at all and don't really care who he is.

I got a good picture of Joran, and you could say into his mind too at this link http://meetme.hotornot.com/r/?emid=GMOLKLR and all I can say he's not an amicable character by the looks. Rather kind of sleazy and despicable.

I know I should not be saying this based just on a picture and words, but if he did kill Natalee, I hope he gets what's coming to him. I wonder if they have the death penalty in Aruba.

Anyway, I always thought that this case is not just about who killed Natalee. It is also about how libertine parents let their children roam free in a foreign land w/o their supervision. I know they had chaperons, although not enough in my opinion.

The lesson to be learned here is to always keep your eyes on your children. Know where they are and with whom at all times. Personally I would not have sent my daughter alone (ie, w/o parental supervision) to Aruba. I'm aware that some of the chaperons were the parents of the girls themselves. But those parents were most likely keeping an eye on their own children, not someone else's children. Moreover, it's irrelevant that these children were under adult escort in Aruba if once in Aruba they were allowed to go to parties late into the wee hours of the morning.

I had wished this issue had been discussed on these threads too, but I haven't seen it. At least not in the threads I've reviewed.

So, while it's important that whoever hurt Natalee must pay for his deeds, it's equally important that parents be warned that lustful characters are lurking at every opportunity to get to our children.


359 posted on 07/19/2005 7:25:53 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences.)
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To: TexKat

Kalpoes at the hospital?


360 posted on 07/19/2005 7:26:49 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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