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Terri was aware, says brain doc
WND ^ | 6/19/05

Posted on 06/19/2005 6:35:16 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

Refuting the findings of the county medical examiner, a neurosurgeon who examined Terri Schiavo before her death says the autopsy report confirms she was aware of what was going on around her.

Dr. William Hammesfahr, nominated for a Nobel Prize for his work in medicine and known as a pioneer in approaches to helping the brain injured, said to ignore the facts would "allow future Terri Schiavos to die needlessly."

"The record must be set straight," he said. "As we noted in the press, there was no heart attack, or evident reason for this to have happened (and certainly not of Terri's making). Unlike the constant drumbeat from the husband, his attorneys, and his doctors, the brain tissue was not dissolved, with a head of just spinal fluid. In fact, large areas were 'relatively preserved.'"

He said the autopsy results confirmed his opinion that the frontal areas of the brains, the areas that deal with awareness and cognition were relatively intact.

"In fact, the relay areas from the frontal and front temporal regions of the brain, to the spinal cord and the brain stem, by way of the basal ganglia, were preserved, thus the evident responses which she was able to express to her family and to the clinicians seeing her or viewing her videotape," he said. "The Spect scan confirmed these areas were functional and not scar tissue, and that was apparently also confirmed on Dr. (Stephen) Nelson's review of the slides."

Dr. Hammesfahr describes Terri as "a woman trapped in her body, similar to a child with cerebral palsy, and that was born out by the autopsy, showing greater injury in the motor and visual centers of the brain. Obviously, the pathologists comments that she could not see were not borne out by reality, and thus his assessment must represent sampling error. The videotapes clearly showed her seeing."

He was critical of the findings that she was not capable of swallowing on her own. He cited her ability to swallow up to about 1.5 liters per day of liquid, confirmed, he said, by two other physicians.

"With respect to the issue of trauma, that certainly does not appear to be answered adequately," he added. "Some of the types of trauma that are suspected were not adequately evaluated in this assessment. Interestingly, both myself and at least one neurologist for the husband testified to the presence of neck injuries."

Hammesfahr concluded: "Ultimately, based on the clinical evidence and the autopsy results, an aware woman was killed."

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His statements concur with others who have conducted analyses of the autopsy results. Last week, an attorney specializing in medical ethics cases, Jerri Lynn Ward of Austin, Texas, made similar observations. She particularly took note of this autopsy finding: "The frontal temporal and temporal poles and insular-cortex demonstrated relative preservation."

"What this tells us is that her cortex retained function and that her brain was more normal in the area that controls higher-level thinking," said Ward, who has weighed in on the case in her weblog and in an interview with "Joseph Farah's WorldNetDaily RadioActive" show.

Schiavo died March 31, nearly two weeks after the feeding tube that had kept her alive was removed under a court order obtained by her husband, Michael Schiavo. Her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, said they were willing to care for their daughter, insisting she had a strong will to live.

Experts supporting Michael Schiavo – contending Terri Schiavo's brain cortex essentially was missing and filled with fluid – concluded she was in a persistent vegetative state. The Schindlers, arguing that their daughter recognized and responded to family members, produced neurologists who diagnosed her as "minimally conscious."

Pinellas-Pasco medical examiner Jon Thogmartin, speaking at a news conference Wednesday, said the damage to Terri Schiavo's brain was "irreversible, and no amount of therapy or treatment would have regenerated the massive loss of neurons."

But Ward, pointing to the autopsy report, noted the brain's frontal lobe plays a part in impulse control, judgment, language, memory, motor function, problem solving, sexual behavior, socialization and spontaneity.

"It is very possible that she remained cognizant of sounds and other things without being able to communicate," Ward said. "It's possible Terri was aware of everything being done to her – yet could do little to make people aware that she was there."

Ward pointed out that major damage to Schiavo's brain was shown to be toward the back – the areas that affect motor skills.

So the question remains, says Ward, was Terri Schiavo still a thinking, aware human being?

In fact, neuropathologist Nelson, whose assessment is included in the report, conceded there is no way of determining through an autopsy whether a person was in a persistent vegetative state.


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KEYWORDS: fraud; herewegoagain; news; phoney; quack; schiavo; terri
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To: jude24
Frankly, I think we should ban WorldNetDaily from this board.

No, it needs to be posted for ridicule purposes.

Kinda like Maureen Dowd.

21 posted on 06/19/2005 7:09:36 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Peach

Just so you know, the link you provided to Terrisfight.org is no good. It appears the .pdf doc is gone.


22 posted on 06/19/2005 7:12:25 PM PDT by Double Tap
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To: Double Tap

I've been finding out that some of the links, that were working in March/April, that debunked the many lies about this matter, have been pulled.

We've seen the same maneuvers in politics but I'm surprised it's happening here and don't know how it is that people go about managing to have links pulled. I'm computer illiterate.


23 posted on 06/19/2005 7:13:51 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
Oh, I would imagine that whomever runs Terrisfight.org saw that the .pdf document was being used to debunk some of the BS that has been floating around. So they simply remove the document from whatever server they were using, or changed it's location.

Did anyone copy it?

24 posted on 06/19/2005 7:17:23 PM PDT by Double Tap
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To: Double Tap

I didn't copy it.

Here's Wolfson's report to Jeb Bush, put into HTML format by a helpful freeper. It's considered the most complete historical analysis by any of Terri's five court appointed guardians.

http://home.comcast.net/~trinity_tx/wolfson.htm


25 posted on 06/19/2005 7:19:46 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Pass the word.


26 posted on 06/19/2005 7:20:46 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Terri was starved to death by order of the state - and it seems, as we suspected, she was aware she was being murdered.


27 posted on 06/19/2005 7:30:24 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: jude24

WorldNetDaily = crank site IMHO.


28 posted on 06/19/2005 7:48:28 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

He's a fraud that was never nominated for the Nobel Prize. The whole article reeks.


29 posted on 06/19/2005 7:50:40 PM PDT by Melas (Lives in state of disbelief)
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To: Aussie Dasher
and it seems, as we suspected, she was aware she was being murdered.

Nope.

30 posted on 06/19/2005 7:50:57 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: jude24

If this is going to be the quality of WND's stuff, I agree. It has no more business being posted here than the National Enquirer.


31 posted on 06/19/2005 7:51:49 PM PDT by Melas (Lives in state of disbelief)
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To: RadioAstronomer

Even if she wasn't aware, does that make it OK to murder her?


32 posted on 06/19/2005 7:52:42 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

I have no dog in this hunt. It is a family issue and a court issue. All I was commenting on was her state of mind.

However, that being said, I personally would hope someone would pull the plug on me if I were in that state. (Why I have a living will stating such)


33 posted on 06/19/2005 8:04:36 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Aussie Dasher
Terri was starved to death by order of the state - and it seems, as we suspected, she was aware she was being murdered.

On what do you pass that belief? There is no medical evidence that she even knew she existed. Now we know she was blind so she couldnt have been following the ballons the Schindlers were moving about. The Schindlers were faking it.

34 posted on 06/19/2005 9:15:47 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: joesbucks; All

How dare you question the St. Terri Followers!


35 posted on 06/19/2005 9:17:32 PM PDT by KevinDavis (the space/future belongs to the eagles, the earth/past to the groundhogs)
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To: lugsoul
He's a quack.

A cash-only quack, at that.


Terripalooza Industry quack bump.

36 posted on 06/19/2005 9:19:19 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Dave S

Sad you condemn her family as swiftly as you condemned her.


37 posted on 06/19/2005 9:29:46 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Peach

What a farce.

Yet another instance of WND lending themselves to silliness.


38 posted on 06/20/2005 6:11:02 AM PDT by Smartaleck
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To: Smartaleck

I guess WND doesn't have a research budget and certainly hasn't read FR thread about this very topic. Sad.


39 posted on 06/20/2005 6:15:50 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Double Tap

"Did any initial reports after Terri's collapse state she had a heart attack,"

The earliest assessment, the hospital admissions report, indicated "cardiac arrest." As I recall there were statements by "laymen" who incorrectly referred to this as a heart attack.


40 posted on 06/20/2005 6:17:00 AM PDT by Smartaleck
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