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Doctor: Schiavo Autopsy Conclusions Flawed
NewsMax ^ | 6/19/05 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 06/19/2005 6:04:50 PM PDT by wagglebee

Dr. William Hammesfahr, nominated for a Nobel Prize for his work in Medicine, has been recognized by agents for Medicare, the federal government, and others for new approaches to helping the brain injured.

Dr. Hammesfahr has been identified in helping patients with chronic brain injuries from many causes actually leave long term disability, and return to work.

Dr. Hammesfahr was identified the first physician to restore deficits caused by stroke.

Dr. Hammesfahr has released the following statement in response to the autopsy report on Terri Schindler Schiavo:

We have seen a lot on the autopsy of Terri Schindler Schiavo in recent days, that I feel needs to be addressed. To ignore these comments will allow future 'Terri Schiavo's' to die needlessly after the wishes of clinicians and family are ignored.

Considering that there were so many physicians and therapists who were willing to step forward to treat Terri Schiavo, from university based practitioners to those in private practice, it clearly shows that the mainstream medical community across the board, those involved in treating patients, knew that they could help Terri.

The record must be set straight. As we noted in the press, there was no heart attack, or evident reason for this to have happened (and certainly not of Terri's making).

Unlike the constant drumbeat from the husband, his attorneys, and his doctors, the brain tissue was not dissolved, with a head of just spinal fluid. In fact, large areas were "relatively preserved."

The purpose of the therapies offered by so many, from major universities, brain injury centers, and from private practice physicians, is to improve and restore quality of life, and function, which the mainstream medical community clearly tried to get to her.

I have had a chance to look at Dr. Nelson's analysis of the brain tissue, and essentially, as a clinician, these are my thoughts.

The autopsy results confirmed my opinion and Dr. Maxfield's opinions, that the frontal areas of the brains, the areas that deal with awareness and cognition were relatively intact. To use Dr. Nelson's words, "relatively preserved." In fact, the relay areas from the frontal and front temporal regions of the brain, to the spinal cord and the brain stem, by way of the basal ganglia, were preserved, thus the evident responses which she was able to express to her family and to the clinicians seeing her or viewing her videotape. The Spect scan confirmed these areas were functional and not scar tissue, and that was apparently also confirmed on Dr. Nelson's review of the slides. Dr. Maxfield's estimates of retained brain weight were apparently accurate, although there may have been some loss of brain weight due to the last two weeks of dehydration.

Dr. Maxfield and myself both emphasized that she was a woman trapped in her body, similar to a child with cerebral palsy, and that was born out by the autopsy, showing greater injury in the motor and visual centers of the brain. Obviously, the pathologists comments that she could not see were not borne out by reality, and thus his assessment must represent sampling error. The videotapes clearly showed her seeing, and even Dr. Cranfoed, for the husband, commented to her that, when she could see the balloon, she could follow it with her eyes as per his request.

That she could not swallow was obviously not borne out by the reality that she was swallowing her saliva, about 1.5 liters per day of liquid, and the clinical swallowing tests done by Dr. Young and Dr. Carpenter. Thus, there appears to be some limitations to the clinical accuracy of an autopsy in evaluating function.

With respect to the issue of trauma, that certainly does not appear to be answered adequately. Some of the types of trauma that are suspected were not adequately evaluated in this assessment. Interestingly, both myself and at least one neurologist for the husband testified to the presence of neck injuries. The issue of a forensic evaluation for trauma, is highly specialized. Hence the wish of the family to have observers which was refused by the examiner.

Ultimately, based on the clinical evidence and the autopsy results, an aware woman was killed.

s/Dr. W. Hammesfahr

[Dr. Hammesfahr was nominated for the Nobel Prize in Medicine and Physiology in 1999. The Nomination was for work started in 1994. In 2000, this work resulted in approval for the first patent in history granted for the treatment of neurological diseases including coma, stroke, brain injury, cerebral palsy, hypoxic injuries and other neurovascular disorders with medications that restore blood flow to the brain. It was extended to treat successfully disabilities including ADD, ADHD, Dyslexia, Tourette's and Autism as well as behaviorally and emotionally disturbed children, seizures and severe migraines.]


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To: Diva Betsy Ross
Does that mean you do not have an answer to the question?

No. It means you put quotes around a word that I did not use.

201 posted on 06/20/2005 9:52:23 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

Greer is no Nazi but the way he does law reminds me of the German judges who dispassionately applied Nazi law.


202 posted on 06/20/2005 9:57:32 AM PDT by RobbyS (chirho)
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To: wagglebee

Is there anybody who still believes this huckster?

He repeatedly lied about his own qualifications, why on Earth should we believe him now?


203 posted on 06/20/2005 10:00:12 AM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: cyncooper
Perhaps I put the quotes there for a different reason... You do understand that could be the case in the English text, right?

OK.. so not I am done with Grammar 101.

Got an answer yet?

What motivates Jeb to grandstand in the manner he does over the Terri case?

204 posted on 06/20/2005 10:01:10 AM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: EllaMinnow
"So would you want to make decisions about your husband? Or do you think his family should be the ones to decide?"

Is it possible that not all marriages are made in heaven..Whata ya think?


'til death do us part may have taken on a whole new meaning

205 posted on 06/20/2005 10:02:06 AM PDT by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants_"Where there is life, there is hope"..Terri Schindler)
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To: topher

...some truth indeed.

I wasn't aware he was legally blind. Yikes.


206 posted on 06/20/2005 10:05:43 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Peach
Just another guy trying to get some fame from this tragic situation.

I still trust the Doctor who was there and did the autopsy. Of course the "monster" bought him off crowd will never believe him or anyone else who has a different opinion than theirs.

207 posted on 06/20/2005 10:09:37 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: Earthdweller

Bad cases make bad law.

Should the State of Florida throw out the laws that say one cannot divorce an incapacitated spouse just because Michael Schiavo is an ass?


208 posted on 06/20/2005 10:12:11 AM PDT by EllaMinnow
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
Perhaps I put the quotes there for a different reason... You do understand that could be the case in the English text, right?

OK.. so not I am done with Grammar 101.

Yes, I understood all of that. I never implied "foolish" much less said it, you therefore had no basis for using it as if I had conveyed such a notion.

Stick to what I said and stop reading into it hidden meanings that are not there.

And don't take that "got an answer yet" tone with me. Of course I have an idea why Jeb Bush, a good and decent man who is also honest, called for the investigation. I wouldn't have formed the opinion if I didn't.

209 posted on 06/20/2005 10:13:17 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: .38sw
I'm sure I'll get trashed for this post, but I really don't care anymore.

Not by me.

The Terripalooza Industry has a lot at stake now and is fighting for its very existence after this autopsy report. There are undoubtedly several nonprofit foundations (with cushy expense accounts) and lots of jobs on the line.

210 posted on 06/20/2005 10:14:58 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: wagglebee; Howlin
Ultimately, based on the clinical evidence and the autopsy results, an aware woman was killed.

Uh-Oh!

211 posted on 06/20/2005 10:15:23 AM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: cyncooper
LOL... I had every reason to use it.

But you digress...And that answer is? Please inform me.

Here you go, let's see if you have an issue with it this time...

The reason why you believe that Jeb Bush is grandstanding is....

212 posted on 06/20/2005 10:17:43 AM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: wagglebee

How many autopsies involve a police escourt to the coroner's office?

How many medical examiners refuse to have an independent medical examiner present at the time of the autopsy?

How convenient the body was destroyed so no additional examinations could take place.

How many incidents like this involve such incestuous relationships between the Sheriff's Office, the husband and the Courts involved?

I think Terri was murdered. I think she was brain-damaged as a result of an assault upon her by her husband and he then conspired with the nursing home, the Sheriff's Office, and other officials in Pinellas County to have her done away with. I believe he did this so he could marry his live-in roomie, and to prevent any possibility of her recovery to expose his actions which led to her demise.

But then, who am I? Just a schlub who reads the news.


213 posted on 06/20/2005 10:23:02 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

Yes, I know you had a reason to use it; I discerned that immediately. I then corrected your faulty premise but you chose to ignore that and, as is your custom, you prefer to embrace a false notion and reject fact.

As to your obsession with my thoughts? I choose to discuss my informed speculation with those I respect.


214 posted on 06/20/2005 10:25:04 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: ZULU
How many medical examiners refuse to have an independent medical examiner present at the time of the autopsy

As I and others keep pointing out, several doctors were involved here, not just the ME.

The record is extensive.

But then, who am I? Just a schlub who reads the news.

Keep reading, then, and think.

215 posted on 06/20/2005 10:27:22 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: EllaMinnow
"Should the State of Florida throw out the laws that say one cannot divorce an incapacitated spouse just because Michael Schiavo is an ass?"

No..the state of Florida should be intelligent enough to legislate exception in guardianship when the spouse is no longer a "spouse".

Then of course if the guardianship is removed from said "spouse" their testimony should be in major question along with their next of kin.

Of course hindsight is 50/50 if indeed they were unable determine his true "marital" status or in layman's terms...were too stupid to see that Micheal may have been an "ass".

216 posted on 06/20/2005 10:31:12 AM PDT by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants_"Where there is life, there is hope"..Terri Schindler)
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To: Earthdweller

It is not up to the state to say an undivorced spouse is no longer a spouse. Do you really want the government to be able to dissolve marriages without the knowledge or consent of the married adult couple?

It would have been a good thing in this one case, but a horrible precedent for the government to set aside legal marriages in the future.


217 posted on 06/20/2005 10:39:07 AM PDT by EllaMinnow
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To: EllaMinnow
Dissolve marriages??..no.
Be however creative you want with guardianship but don't let him off the hook.
218 posted on 06/20/2005 10:44:32 AM PDT by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants_"Where there is life, there is hope"..Terri Schindler)
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To: Earthdweller
You are the one who said

legislate exception in guardianship when the spouse is no longer a "spouse".

I am merely asking who is to decide that a spouse is no longer a spouse.

219 posted on 06/20/2005 10:59:34 AM PDT by EllaMinnow
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To: Saundra Duffy

Well, heaven forbid someone in your family is diagnosed with PVS. I rather doubt you will take them to see a doctor who hasn't cured anyone but keeps telling people how great he is. Hopefully you'll take your family member to someone who will tell the truth and can get actual results.


220 posted on 06/20/2005 11:09:35 AM PDT by Peach
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