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To: ClancyJ
Euthanasia is a legitimate fear, but we're not Nazi Germany. We are a country of laws, but our laws are rooted in God and some would say, rooted in Christianity as though Christianity were a plague.

The teaching hospitals (medical) are a far cry from the secular universities. The Hippocratic Oath is taken seriously.

There are always renegades in every profession and the AMA has become a tool of the Left (IMO). Ditto for the APA which is seeking to sell homosexuality as a norm, as it is genetic in several homosexual men (a mutant gene, although many of them hate that fact). I have never met a homosexual who didn't wish he were heterosexual. This is getting off the subject at hand, which is, of course, euthanasia. We must never permit that for a whole host of reasons. Living wills are the way to go, IF a person does not want to be kept alive by feeding tubes or by extraordinary means.

My personal position does not matter. I am Catholic.
565 posted on 06/15/2005 11:24:15 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: onyx

Glad to hear your information about the physician training. Would be interested in your thoughts on how these laws are instigated.

I hope there is nothing to worry about but this case and the callousness of many posters makes me realize that not all Americans believe in the sanctity of life and that we do not kill.

Time to look at the laws and how they come to be. Time to work on preserving America as the America we grew up in and not the country that allows right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness to only "some" people.


572 posted on 06/15/2005 11:29:05 PM PDT by ClancyJ (McCain: "As far as the criticism is concerned, none of us care about public opinion.")
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To: onyx
Onyx, being fed via a tube is not extraordinary methods. It is not medical treatment. It is nourishment, pure and simple. Many of all ages for all reasons rely on feeding tubes for daily sustinence. Feeding tubes are in no fashion true *artificially life-prolonging machines*. They are merely a method of providing nourishment, not medical treatment.

I, and almost every prominent Conservative of note and heart and thought, as well as church leaders across the board--from Roman Cathoic to Judaism to Protestant to Episcopalian, feel that the death sentence that was ordered on a defenseless, innocent, unable to speak for herself, Roman Catholic Terri, comletely based on nothing more than hearsay, remembered not until seven years after the fact and the monies banked by Michael, falls under the "First do no harm" Hippocratic. Terri was killed without the ORDERED (and nose-thumbed,) de novo hearing on the case. Compared to criminals convicted of capital punishment, she was treated like a dog with regards to her rights as an American citizen and consideration and Congress handed-down (ignored) order. Her death was horrible and inhumane and unspeakable in this day and age. She was not dying. There was NOTHING in writing stating her "wishes." In life and death matters, if we do not err on the side of life, absent all but hearsay (in which Michael contradicted himself,) what in the WORLD have we become? First do no harm.

There was a great piece and link posted last week by a FReeper in which all the quotes of the leaders of the different churches addressed the killing of Terri, and offered their thoughts and condemnations (in condemnation,)on the atrocity (including our late Jon Paul the Great and Pope Benedict. I will get it for you tomorrow and post it. It's powerful. And It's across the board.

This issue is an issue of right versus wrong.

Every menber of a decent society is right in believing that it is wrong to starve and dehydrate to death a fellow human being.

Have a good night and I will talk to you tomorrow. Take care.

606 posted on 06/16/2005 12:13:01 AM PDT by Miss Behave (Do androids dream of electric sheep?)
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