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Terri Schiavo Autopsy: Manner of Death 'Undetermined'
CNSNews.com ^ | June 15, 2005 | Jeff Johnson

Posted on 06/15/2005 12:27:19 PM PDT by veronica

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To: bjs1779
Terri's previously posted brain scans reported that she did not have more than 80% of her brain left.

That was "80% of her upper brain," but the mass listed is for her whole brain.

621 posted on 06/16/2005 3:13:40 AM PDT by Gondring (The can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold dead hands.)
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To: flaglady47

She wasn't brain dead. She was in a Persistent Vegetative State. Her lower brain functions were partially intact, allowing her body to continue operating without a ventilator, etc., but her cognition was gone.


622 posted on 06/16/2005 3:16:10 AM PDT by Gondring (The can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold dead hands.)
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To: MHGinTN
You are 'da links man' ... we have a need for links to the data regarding the ME when he was assigned in the Schiavo case (his history that was posted on FR) and for the link to the videos of Terri from 1992/1993 beside the lake. Please help us if you can ... I don't have current access to my links list or timeline of Terri's medical history. Thank you ...

Marvin, I will go back through these:

-Useless Eaters vs The Death Cult--

...and cull what I find- may be later in the day; got to shoo Miss Emily out the door & run errands- but I'll get to it directly.

623 posted on 06/16/2005 3:18:16 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the trackball into the Sunset...)
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To: Pajamajan

Questions for you, and for others to ponder...

Do you think a person's right to refuse hydration/nutrition should be denied?

Do you think a less barbaric means of deliverance should be available for those who don't wish to remain in a PVS?

Do you think parents should have precedence over their adult children's spouses?

Do you think the armed forces of the State should be called in to overturn, by force, our court system decisions?

Do you believe individuals have no right to decide whether or not to continue their lives, for whatever condition they are in?

Do you value life over rights? "People" over individuals?

Do you realize that while you call others coldblooded, there are some who look at you that way...feeling that you have no compassion for those who would not want their body to be kept going?


624 posted on 06/16/2005 3:24:26 AM PDT by Gondring (The can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold dead hands.)
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To: Gondring
She wasn't brain dead. She was in a Persistent Vegetative State. Her lower brain functions were partially intact, allowing her body to continue operating without a ventilator, etc., but her cognition was gone.

And this diagnosis was made based on what evidence? Was it all based on what she could or could not do with her eyes? Hmmm. Wasn't she blind? I wonder how these doctors could mange to diagnose her brain potential without even factoring in the fact that she was blind. You have to wonder about their abilities to diagnose PVS if they did not diagnose such a basic thing as blindness, and did not even take it into consideration when looking at her.

625 posted on 06/16/2005 3:47:52 AM PDT by blueriver
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To: malakhi
No, I wouldn't expect that, because every indication previously was that she was PVS and had suffered significant deterioration of brain tissue.

Were not all the indications of he PVS diagnosis based on her ability to react visually? You have to wonder how these Dr.s could make such claims when they did not even know she was blind.

626 posted on 06/16/2005 3:53:04 AM PDT by blueriver
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To: malakhi
I'm not the one attributing all evidence which disagrees with my view to some vast conspiracy.

The word is trust. If you trust that everyone involved in this case had all honorable intentions then I could see your points. I on the other hand did not trust Michael Schiavo from the very beginning. I thing Judge Greer made some very huge mistakes in the beginning and had too much of an ego to retract his original findings - and so did all that he could from that point on to cover his ass. Not much of a stretch in the realm of possibilities and certainly not a vast conspiracy. All the other characters acted as their agendas dictated.

627 posted on 06/16/2005 4:00:23 AM PDT by blueriver
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To: eagle mama; Gondring
"The radiologists report and interpretation of the Bone Scan."

Eagle, what is your opinion about how this scan in 91 and its wording compares with pg 32 of the autopsy report where this issue is specifically addressed?

What did you think of the concessions Dr. Walker had to make on cross examination? Why did his report not agree with findings of other radiologist?
628 posted on 06/16/2005 4:57:11 AM PDT by Smartaleck
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To: blueriver; malakhi

"Were not all the indications of he PVS diagnosis based on her ability to react visually?"

No.


629 posted on 06/16/2005 5:04:48 AM PDT by Smartaleck
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To: blueriver

"I thing Judge Greer made some very huge mistakes in the beginning and had too much of an ego to retract his original findings"

... and then the appeals courts and other judges including the Fed. Appeals Court and the US Supreme Court worked further to cover Greer's butt/mistakes. Roflmao


630 posted on 06/16/2005 5:07:06 AM PDT by Smartaleck
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To: Selkie
http://www.freerepublic.com/~blueblazes/ This account has been banned or suspended.>>>>>

Who was it who criticized me for asking if he was a 'retread'?

631 posted on 06/16/2005 5:13:32 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: ClancyJ
Gee, sure got quiet around here.

Might have something to do with the fact that it was the middle of the night, huh?

632 posted on 06/16/2005 5:15:37 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: tuckrdout
As I have always stated, I believe she suffered from "Shaken Adult syndrome"---or perhaps a pillow over her face!

Of course, you have no evidence for this whatsoever.

633 posted on 06/16/2005 5:17:47 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: Pajamajan

Do something constructive and bake some cookiers.


634 posted on 06/16/2005 5:22:06 AM PDT by verity (A mindset is an antidote to logic.)
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To: Miss Behave
It is not medical treatment.

It isn't? Feeding tubes don't just naturally appear, you know.

feel that the death sentence

Hyperbolic rhetoric.

comletely based on nothing more than hearsay

That's pretty funny, coming from your side.

without the ORDERED (and nose-thumbed,) de novo hearing

Did you read the court rulings pertaining to this? In the Terri Law, congress did NOT change the existing rules regarding temporary injunctive relief. They had the opportunity to do so, and they chose not to. Consequently, the court ruled based upon existing statute and precedent. And this ruling was upheld by the full 11th Circuit and the Supreme Court.

There was NOTHING in writing stating her "wishes."

Like it or not, that isn't required in Florida.

635 posted on 06/16/2005 5:23:22 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: Pajamajan
who only wanted to take her home and care for her.

At one point, they had her home for three weeks. They sent her back to the care facility because they couldn't take care of her.

unless you're going to say that the priests and others who visited her all the way to the end were lying about what they saw.

Perhaps "extreme wishful thinking" is kinder than "lying". The 'testimony' of Fr. Pavone, in particular, is absurd.

The tests were not allowed

Untrue. She had intense therapy, and repeated testing. Her condition was determined to be unrecoverable.

Dr. Thugmartin

A pathetic attempt to demonize yet another person who disagreed with your alternate reality version of events.

I don't buy it.

Of course you don't. You have bought every bit of rumor and speculation hook, line and sinker. All contradictory data, therefore, must be due to human evil and a vast conspiracy.

636 posted on 06/16/2005 5:31:16 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: malakhi

Is your forehead bleeding yet?


637 posted on 06/16/2005 5:37:42 AM PDT by lugsoul ("She talks and she laughs." - Tom DeLay)
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To: Gondring

Great post...

"Culture of DisrespectTM "

Couldn't have said that better myself.

Bones


638 posted on 06/16/2005 5:37:47 AM PDT by Bones75
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To: Bones75
"Schindler's have stated that they would keep Terri alive even if the KNEW that was against her wishes."

Unlike Michael, the Schindlers needed that trust fund money. They had filed for bankruptcy a year before Terri's collapse, following a bad investment in a Florida business venture.

Initially, everything was fine between the Schindlers and Michael:

"They moved in together after Terri's collapse in February 1990, and Michael called the Schindlers ''Mom and Dad.'' A year later, the Schindlers encouraged their son-in-law to get on with his life and date. They even met some of the women he saw."

"I looked at that as maybe he was starting to take a step in the right direction and get his life back together,'' Bob Schindler said in a 1993 deposition. ``He's still a young man. He still has a life ahead of him.''

Then in 1993 when Michael refused to give the Schindlers half of his $300,000 loss of consotium award that they demanded, they had a "falling out".

639 posted on 06/16/2005 5:53:27 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: DoughtyOne
>I didn't get a chance to observe the autopsy, but just a wild guess on my part might be starvation. Do ya think??????????

No, the cause of death was dehydration.

640 posted on 06/16/2005 5:56:42 AM PDT by JoeGar
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