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To: Dumb_Ox
Slavery was actually mostly eliminated in Western Christendom between 1000 AD and the Renaissance.
Slavery by its name, perhaps - but our ancestors lived under governments which had no or nearly no influence on the government. And that is what I mean by "arbitrary" government.

102 posted on 06/12/2005 6:29:35 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Slavery by its name, perhaps - but our ancestors lived under governments which had no or nearly no influence on the government. And that is what I mean by "arbitrary" government.

I have one vote out of 120 million or so voters, and you're claiming I have more national influence than a medieval peasant? We don't even have rebellions anymore, much less peasant rebellions, and the only "Average Joes" who can have great influence on the government are nutjob assassins.

120 posted on 06/14/2005 3:36:35 PM PDT by Dumb_Ox (Be not Afraid. "Perfect love drives out fear.")
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