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To: Badray; newgeezer
How about the redistribution of income and wealth for starters? Taking from one to give to another at point of a gun, if necessary, if the threat of imprisonment isn't enough to get you to comply, sounds pretty immoral to me.

I know newgeezer well enough to know he was just looking for a debate on a Friday. The bible says the government will tax you and once they have their tax money, it's theirs. Jesus even implied that it was theirs before they taxed you. The bible also says that God establishes governments as His ministers for your good. There is nothing in the world immoral about their taxing you and redistributing the wealth.

Government can only do what has been delegated to it. We cannot delegate powers that aren't lawfully ours. If it's illegal for me or you to do it, it's out of the proper bounds of government to do.

This is a myth propegated by armchair constitutionwonks. God gives governments their authority. The constitution is a nice set of guidelines subject to the interpretation of lawyers.

Is that immoral enough?

Not remotely.

1,155 posted on 06/14/2005 4:50:46 AM PDT by biblewonk (Yes I think I am a bible worshipper.)
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To: biblewonk

Do you still take home a paycheck? Do you have a bank acount or investments?

If so, follow your believe that it's the government's money and sent it in to them. Live off of what they decide is enough. Live off welfare and food stamps. Otherwise, you are just another moralistic sounding, but lying and hypocritical liberal.

Government has usurped much of the charitable function of the church and the individual, but it is a miserable failure and in many cases denies the individual the ability to be charitable as God commands. COMMANDS, not implies.


1,166 posted on 06/14/2005 7:34:45 AM PDT by Badray
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To: biblewonk
The bible also says that God establishes governments as His ministers for your good.

And based on your bizarre theory, I guess these guys were the popes: Joseph Stalin Adolph Hitler Idi Amin Pol Pot Chou En Lai Saddam Hussein Are you seriously telling me that these governments were established for the good of the people? What god do you worship?

1,220 posted on 06/14/2005 11:22:27 PM PDT by Badray
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