The Deal's No Victory

The National Review ^ | May 24, 2005 | Andrew McCarthy

[YaYa123]

I agree with John Podhoretz that politics in the real world calls for some compromise — at least when a matter of principle is not involved. But he’s dreaming if he really thinks the filibuster “compromise” struck last night in the Senate is a “victory.”

[Coop]

You sound like a advertisement for the GOP.

And you sound like an advertisement for MoveOn.org. At least my points deal with fact and reasoned opinions, not rhetoric or worse.

[Prolifeconservative]

The fact of the matter is Republicans and Democrats alike did NOT want to go on record with their votes. They are all wusses!!

[GOP_1900AD]

ROTFL! :-)

[oldbrowser]

"Most of our obstacles would melt away if, instead of cowering before them, we should make up our minds to walk boldly through them."
Orison Swett Marden (1850 - 1924)

[cicero's_son]

I have to tell you, I have not been a "fan" of Lindsay Graham in this whole affair, but the guy has shown remarkable political instincs and...dare I say it..balls.

I'm sure I'll be flamed to death over this by the all-or-nothing crowd. But Graham has managed to parlay his way into a true kingmaker role. Watch what happens to his profile when a USSC spot opens up.

[TomasUSMC]

And if the nuke option had failed?

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Ah that is the difference isn't it. Some of us are not afraid of trying for fear of losing, because we learn, we come back stronger and try again. Because when we try, it is with focus on winning. Because when we try, it is because victory will reap more benefits.

and we learn who the unreliable ones are, all 7 of them.

I like your tag line though.

[YaYa123]

I wonder why Maria Cantwell is voting "no" on shutting off debate. so far, she's the only democrat I've seen do so.

[YaYa123]

Cantwell and now, Corzine of NJ, 2 dems voting "No" on limiting debate. I wonder why obscure point they are trying to make.

[jec41]

The GOP is the majority and yet they are afraid to use the elected power given to them by the people. This deal is a smokescreen. Frist should step down because he has lost all credibility with in his own party. I am tired of listening and trying to justify failure after failure.


Frist should not step down. He worked two years to bring this to a head. He has not lost any credibility. Voters gave him a republican majority to stop the filibusters and he was willing to use it. McCain should step down because he deserted his party for political gain and it is not the first time he has done so. McCain desires the nomination for president but Frist was fast garnering support to be the front runner. McCain saw an opportunity to try and discredit Frist and take him out early and he did so. McCain has proved himself to be only self serving with no interest other than his own political ambitions. He is still bitter about his loss to Bush and this is another way of getting even. Get rid of the RINO's and the problem will be solved.

[Coop]

Interesting. Keep us posted, please.

[YaYa123]

18 voted against limiting debate, I would guess they are all democrats, but who knows?

[Evolution]

Anyone who thinks the GOP won needs to stop drinking the Kool Aid and realize who was behind this deal, then they need to realize who gained something.

RINOs were behind the deal, and Dems gained a new power, which is that Bush is now expected to consent with them, and if he doesnt or they disagree it is now an "extraordinary circumstance" and they can filibuster, and the MSM will be behind them as usual.

[thombo]

"McCain just lost whatever support he may have had for a presidential run."How bout Hillary's VP?"I felt that the GOP had secured it's spot as the majority party...."So did i Cainin.We've been had my friend.

[Coop]

Anyone who thinks the GOP won needs to stop drinking the Kool Aid and realize who was behind this deal, then they need to realize who gained something. RINOs were behind the deal, and Dems gained a new power, which is that Bush is now expected to consent with them, and if he doesnt or they disagree it is now an "extraordinary circumstance" and they can filibuster, and the MSM will be behind them as usual.

Maybe if you read the previous 91 posts before lecturing...

[Evolution]

You trust the Dems to keep their word?

[HitmanLV]

You are right and a lot of singular minded types are wrong. It's amazing that so many conservatives can be so infantile as to think they can (and should) always win, all the time. The GOP got much of what it wanted without a rules change.

Something Freepers need to remember is that the electorate isn't nearly as conservative as we are (and certainly not as liberal as many of the singular minded dems). This is about politics and politics is about public perception as much as anything else. It was clear to me that we were losing the PR war, and I had no idea how the chips would have fallen if the Constitutional option had been used - it was just as likely (maybe more) that the winds would have turned against the GOP. That would stink, and given the fact that we got much of what we wanted, it would have been unnecessary.

[af_vet_1981]

I have been betrayed and my vote will reflect that.

You were betrayed by Warner, McCain, Graham, Snowe, Collins, DeWine, and Chafee. You have my permission to fund their opposition.

[Tall_Texan]

Senator McCain, rot in hell.

Hey, Viet Cong! You can have him back now.

[Coop]

You trust the Dems to keep their word?

Nope

[OESY]

GOP surrender monkeys go to war to fight for the president's
judicial nominees and to protect the Supreme Court.