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To: Long Eared Hair
As to history - there are no saint nations, everyone has its own shameful moments in the past.
The point is - to be proud of those glorious moments and to remeber and draw a conclusion from the shameful ones - not to repeat them anymore.

Interesting, that the final result was the same.

Not exactly. Poland - thanks God - did not become a Soviet republic (altough Polish "patriots" - communists - begged Stalin to do so).
People's Republic of Poland was a puppet, communist state, ruled by Soviet servants but it was surely different than status of a Soviet republic (like Baltic states).

Sometimes I wonder why Stalin made such a decision. Maybe he was affraid of havin Poland within Soviet Union.
It was him, who said once, that communism fits Poland like a saddle fits a cow.
52 posted on 05/20/2005 1:11:37 PM PDT by lizol
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To: lizol
Sometimes I wonder why Stalin made such a decision. Maybe he was affraid of havin Poland within Soviet Union.
I think he couldn't do it because of the British and the Americans.
But, Lenin maybe had written something that Poland should be independent. It was widespread among "progressive" Russian intelligentsia in XIX century.
53 posted on 05/20/2005 1:18:23 PM PDT by Long Eared Hair
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To: lizol

Sometimes I wonder why Stalin made such a decision. Maybe he was affraid of havin Poland within Soviet Union.==

Same way for Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, even Mongolia.

It was done because in those countries like in you Poland you have your own socilait - communist cadres so your national communists-socialists.
BUT in Russia there wasn't NATIONAL commies but only international.

You don't know but I remember the time when it was no good to tell that you are russian in Soviet Union.
You had to tell "soviet" instead.

Outside of USSR they called any soviets as "russian" even continue to do this today for variety of reasons mostly because it is convinient to blame "russians" but embelish themselves (as you poles do).

But inside of USSR it wasn't good to tell about russians only "soviets". It was considered as nationalistic so it was against soviet power to emphasize that you are russian nationalist. I presume there wasn't that in Poland?

So to call yourself ukranian was OK in USSR. National mainorities was OK.
Why that?
Russians in mass fought on side of White movement in Civil war so russians was unreliable for commie power in USSR but minorities was usual commie allies during Civil war 1917-22. SO russians are unreliable almost all history of USSR.


61 posted on 05/20/2005 4:34:08 PM PDT by RusIvan
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