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You used the examples before of Hiroshima and Dresden; they are COMPLETELY different.

Only in the minds of liberals.

The only people who got a good laugh were depraved S.O.B.'s. Well then you should be the only one rolling on the floor. Instead of the normal military folks and families who think it's funny as hell too.

Who are WE laughing at? In addition to the iraqi terrorists with panties on their heads, the american left who finally calls for 'sexual morality' and 'resisiting sexual abusers' but only when they can twist it to try and stain our military's reputation.

Go soak your head.

Wars are by nature of their execution immoral.
Get over it. Equating "panties to the head" and humiliation of a 'panty humor' nature with real atrocities and torture of military prisoners of war, is as sick as hanoi jane brodcasting from hanoi.

panties on the head, nude pile ups...are NOT torture and do not even come close to it. They are college fratboy pranks at the very worst. You apparently never were invited to join a frat. And I can see why.

blah blah blah to all your left winged whining about our soldiers committing such terrible acts... oh the horror!!!

the reason for going to war may be righteous, but the execution of a war plan ALWAYS kills innocents, displaces populations and accidently imprisons, tortures and interrogates the wrong folks at times... using means YOU panty waists won't approve of. EVER.

Tough.
Lyndie will walk. Get over it.
bye nutcakes.

You wrote, "They are college fratboy pranks at the very worst. You apparently never were invited to join a frat. And I can see why."

Don't know you, sport, but sense you've never worn the uniform. And I can see why.

I don't think that Lynndie is the brightest tool in the shed, but at her age I believe there was a certain amount of influence exerted by her "boyfriend" Graner, who is a real piece of work.

What I would like to know is this: the mother of 2nd Lt. Ilario Pantano, the Marine accused of murdering two Iraqi prisoners, has started a web page called Defend the Defenders. The purpose of this site is to raise funds to pay legal fees for members of the armed forces on trial, who evidently are not content to make use of what the military provides.

Will Lynndie get any of those funds so she can also hire a civilian lawyer, or does all that money go to Pantano so he can pay his high-dollar spokesman?

Just curious...

"You used the examples before of Hiroshima and Dresden; they are COMPLETELY different.
Only in the minds of liberals."

No, only in the minds of people who don't have their heads up their asses. Hiroshima and Dresden were done for MILITARY reasons, with clear MILITARY objectives. The degenerates at this prison had ONE objective; to satisfy their depravity. There were no interactions. It was the same bestial behavior that happens in prisons around the world, with the same characters in charge. Graner had already gotten in trouble over here for prison brutality before going to Iraq. It was all about the kicks they could get.

"The only people who got a good laugh were depraved S.O.B.'s.
Well then you should be the only one rolling on the floor. "

No, the depraved S.O.B would be you, because you think this is all so funny.

"Instead of the normal military folks and families who think it's funny as hell too."

The average Military family does NOT think this was funny, only the sick, amoral ones like you. They may think it has been overblown (I agree; it was an isolated incident with almost no connection to anybody else in the military other than the perps.) Unlike you though, most military families understand the idea of military discipline and the concept of obligation to obey the rules of military engagement. Moral degenerates like Graner or Lynndie don't make the rules. Nor, thank God, do you.

"Wars are by nature of their execution immoral...the reason for going to war may be righteous, but the execution of a war plan ALWAYS kills innocents, displaces populations and accidently imprisons, tortures and interrogates the wrong folks at times... using means YOU panty waists won't approve of. EVER."

If you would get your head out of your ass for one minute you would find that at no point have I said that I am against the war, or that I even have a problem with torturing prisoners when necessary. There was no necessity here. They made no interrogations. It was strictly for the fun of the guards. We have rules in the Military; soldiers don't get to pick and choose which ones they can obey. When we start letting them get away with obeying the rules only when they wish, we will cease to have a military and will instead have a mob with weapons. Kinda like the terrorists we are fighting there.

Again, you think that war is by definition immoral. The reasons may be right but the execution is not, blah blah blah. What utter crap. If you believe an act to be immoral you are a moral traitor if you do not say something against it. This war is moral. The accidental killing of civilians in the course of fighting it is moral. Dropping the bomb on Hiroshima to save American and Japanese lives was moral. Sodomizing a prisoner of undetermined status with a flashlight is NOT moral. Oh, you conveniently keep forgetting to remember that charge, and the charge of rape against some guards. It was not just putting panties on their heads.

You said in a later post than the one to me that you suspect that all of us who actually are standing up for military discipline and against the moral depravity of a few lone guards are on the payroll of Soros. Yeah, sure. Your entire debating *style* has been ad hominen attacks. Anybody who disagrees with you is a liberal anti-military, anti-american lackey of Soros. You spit in the faces of military families with your fantasy that they share your amorality. Most Americans know that what these few soldiers did was wrong.

"They are college fratboy pranks at the very worst. You apparently never were invited to join a frat. And I can see why. "

Our soldiers are not college frat boys. Any college frat boy who did what happened with these guards would be spending time in jail if caught. And your marvelous ad hominen attack really furthered your case logically.

We can all see what makes you so mad about this case. YOU wish you were there so YOU could take part in all the *fun*. It's just the type of thing that gets you off. No need to worry, you can always look for work in prisons right here. They are always looking for people of low intelligence like you.