Skip to comments.Lead and diamonds: the Richmond jewelry store shootout [Blast from the Past]
Posted on 04/29/2005 10:08:42 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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All depends on the circumstances. The guy who fired the intial four rounds from the .44 could have done a better job of aiming. Aiming was appropriate in this sort of a firefight, most of the time, although it's not generally so in many self defense situations.
If you have the time to deliberately aim down the barrel, placing the front sight in the direct center of the rear sight, and even horizontally, then slowly squeeze one off between the perps eyeballs, then by all means, go for it. I'm certain the bad guy will pose, standing perfectly motionless, while you line him up. ;)
I think the idea was since the guns would be available to multiple employees with various levels of gun proficiency, simple was better. Hard to screw up a point-and-shoot wheel gun.
Unless you are in the movies, or shoot 50 rds. with a .44 mag every other day, after your first shot you won't hit crapolla. Even if you don't get the "flinches" because you're in a fire fight, by the time you get the gun back down and into the sight pattern, if you haven't gotten behind something to protect you, you're prolly punctured. ;)
You reckon the employees had no training with the Rossi's? And if they did, do you think it's difficult to learn the mechanics of a 1911 .45?
Great storie! Thanks for the post!
It takes a lot longer to even say that than it takes to do it. The guy with the .44 was firing from some distance, and partially from behind cover and concealment. Probably had a rest available as well, but it's hard to tell that from the description. Besides, I'd never aim for anything other than center of mass, or whatever was showing. (The bad guy was partially behind concealment as well.) In this case there was obviously a lot of missing going on. Doesn't matter how quickly you shoot, if you miss, other than its value in keeping the other guys head down and forcing him to rush his shots. Of course an aimed shot that merely hits near his position behind cover and or concealment does that as well. With the .44 you could probably shoot through many types of concealment, if you still had a good notion of where the bad guy was behind it.
Learning to use a semi-auto isn't that complicated. It's not like trying to learn to speak Basque.
It's nice that the owner put all those guns there for the employees to use if they needed them. A lot of corporations that run convenience stores forbid the store employees from having guns to protect themselves. Of course, the lamestream media will never criticize those corporations. They'll be too busy whining about Halliburton.
Agreed, but as I read it, this guy was above the target, shooting down, with a steel structure under him and covering his lower extremeties, at the least. He just needed to drop down to be behind cover from the point of view of the bad guy.
While I doubt she would have any trouble in a heated situation, my wife has a difficult time with the slides of some guns.
In the heat of the moment, one extra step might be enough to change the situation from a pleasant one to a not so pleasant one.
The article stated the owner wanted a simple point and click weapon that any of his people could get into play quickly. I agree with his thinking.
As do I. But .357 probably would be better. At least load the .38s with +P ammo, with something like Cor-Bon, Grazers, or other high expansion low penetration bullets.... well most of the cylinder should be loaded that way. I might want a few FMJs or JHPs as well, in case the perps are wearing the lighter forms of bullet resistant vests.
Bump for later read.
At least we have a pro-gun governor now. We've gotten rid of the ogam for permit holders and expect to get rid of it for everyone soon.
I agree with what you said except for the part about not aiming and just pointing.
With enough practice, the front sight will be there as quickly as pointing. Without the practice, the new shooter has to use the sights in order to hit so you might as well tell them to use them.
If someone is so close, it's impossible to miss, then the bad guy can't miss either. That's when you use the sights to shoot for the head.
Hey Shooter, havent seen you around much lately. Have you been to the new ksconcealedcarry.com forum yet? We could use some good word of mouth to get the word (of mouth) out.
Get the membership built up.
Still here and posting from the banglist. Finally started shooting again since the kid is back from Iraq. His entire unit made it with no deaths. Yay!
His bride has a new Kimber so we're in a teaching mode. I'm shooting lousy from lack of practice. I need more trigger time.
Haven't logged in the new place. I lurk once in awhile. I'm fed up with the DUer's on thehighroad.
Whew...you just knew when you read the guns were laid out ten feet apart, this story was going to be a wild one.
I read this allowed to my family! Great story!
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