[billbears]

I do not expect nor want the President to do anything. That's the problem. He shouldn't be doing anything. But the office has been given powers not originally deemed for it over the years. No, this action would have to be originated in Congress, probably as you point out against the wishes of the majority of the citizens of the respective states, and even against concern coming from the White House looking to secure votes for its occupant in an upcoming election in the future.

The point is that it will happen sooner or later. Social Security cannot, nor should it be, fixed. The demand will eventually overwhelm the supply of money coming from the working public. Hopefully, God willing, there will be a few conservatives left, that will call for it to be ended. Unfortunately I don't expect that call to come from either faction of the one party that sits in Washington currently

[Torie]

What is your vision for old poor people?

[dwills]

my problem with the dems is not that they recognize the social necessity to buy off the have-nots, but rather that they're slaughtering the goose that lays the golden eggs to fete the special interests that give them power and privilege

however, under your vision, even if you spent the next decades until social security collapses building a fort for your heirs, it wouldn't keep them from being ravaged by the starving hordes

maybe someday the free state project will get off the ground and you'll make piles of rudolph and mcveigh currency that you won't have to share with anybody