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Liberals are Really Socialists
CFP ^ | March 3, 2005 | Nathan Tabor

Posted on 03/03/2005 10:05:56 AM PST by MikeEdwards

"Liberty has never come from the government.... The history of liberty is the history of the limitation of governmental power, not the increase of it." – PRESIDENT WOODROW WILSON

Woodrow Wilson has often been called a Liberal. But Wilson’s brand of liberalism had its focus on opportunities and personal development, not government control.

When I was in college, back in the 1990s, I already knew that it made more sense to be a Conservative than a Liberal. But there was still a lot I didn’t know. One day in class, I criticized somebody as being a "classical Liberal."

My professor, being more astute than I, immediately asked me for the definition of a classical Liberal. When I fumbled for an answer, and eventually got it wrong, he taught me something I didn’t know. A Liberal was once what we call a Conservative today. For example, both Adam Smith and John Locke were known as Liberals in their day.

That moment was embarrassing for me, but enlightening. It is very interesting to observe how definitions change over time--usually because somebody co-opts a good word to advance a bad agenda. Like using "choice" as a euphemism for infanticide, or "diversity" to promote unnatural sexual deviance, or "tolerance" to legitimize heresy.

That’s exactly what has happened with the word Liberal. Being "liberal," in historical terms, is actually a good thing. The problem is, Democrats have perverted and changed its meaning. (This is a familiar pattern with Democrats.)

What do you think you’ll get if you go to Google and search: "what is liberalism?"

Here are two definitions of "liberalism" that I found on the Princeton website:

1. a political orientation that favors progress and reform;

2. an economic theory advocating free competition and a self-regulating market.

Wow! . . . .

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1 posted on 03/03/2005 10:05:58 AM PST by MikeEdwards
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To: MikeEdwards

Duh!......


2 posted on 03/03/2005 10:08:23 AM PST by Red Badger (The South seceded over refusal to end slavery. Blue states want to secede for the same reason......)
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To: MikeEdwards

Terminology is a dangerous thing. American "conservatives" these days are more progressive and classicly liberal than their "liberal" counterparts, who have become increasingly reactionary. Of course, that's only to a point. As with any label, it's not a very complete description.


3 posted on 03/03/2005 10:09:15 AM PST by kevkrom (If people are free to do as they wish, they are almost certain not to do as Utopian planners wish)
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To: MikeEdwards

Who woulda thunk it?

One of my favorite mental images is of a liberal democrat dreaming of world socialism, raising classic communist fist salute and shouting: "One hundred years of failure means nothing!"


4 posted on 03/03/2005 10:12:31 AM PST by wvobiwan (Paris Hilton for UN Sec. Gen. - At least we might get laid while we're getting screwed.)
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To: MikeEdwards

Here are my definitions of liberals for those who haven't seen them yet.</p>

As you can see in my definitions they are one in the same.

Words that define liberals well

Some of these definitions are my own. Please feel free to add your own words and definitions

Enabler-An "enabler" is a person enables the problem to continue. They confuse their support of a person with dysfunctional support by providing more comfort by shielding him or her from experiencing the full impact of the consequences of their behavior.

Martyrdom syndrome or Victim syndrome- The self prolonged exaggeration of suffering of any kind

Politically correctness-Chalton Heston definition "Political Correctness, what does it mean? It means that telling us what to think has evolved into telling us what to say, so telling us what to do can’t be far behind."

Caretaker- Psychiatric definition = A person that wants to take care of everyone but neglects what they should do for themselves.

Demagogue-A leader who makes use of the popular prejudices and false claims along with promises in order to gain power.

Granola-a person one with nature and its natural state and devoted to the 1960’s

Tree huggers- Environmentalist willing to hug a tree to prevent them from being cut down.

Vegetarian-One who practices vegetarianism. Consisting primarily or wholly of vegetables and vegetable products: a vegetarian diet.

Birkenstock-A trademark used for a sandal with a molded cork insole worn by liberals.

Tofu-A protein-rich food coagulated from an extract of soybeans and used in salads and various cooked foods. See vegetarian above.

Indoctrination-To imbue with a partisan or ideological point of view: a generation of children who had been indoctrinated against the values of their parents.

Socialist-An advocate of socialism. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

Chronologically impaired-Person unfazed by their lack of judgment involving time. Keeping appointments and arriving late. The person is not disturbed by this behavior believing it is fashionable.

Fear-monger-someone who promotes a harmful spin attempting to spread something that is discreditable. A person who is involved in something petty or contemptible is a fear-monger.

Divider- One that divides society by race, religion, gender and economic class in hopes to make that group more reliant on their own personal ideology and agenda

Emotional- Of or relating to emotion: an emotional illness; emotional crises

Sensitive- A sensitive person.

Hidden agenda- A list or program of things to be done or considered designed to undermine anything that interferes with socialism.

Bohemian- A person with artistic or literary interests who disregards conventional standards of behavior.

Expatriated- To renounce allegiance to one's homeland.

Oblivious- Lacking conscious awareness; unmindful.

Apologist-A person who argues in defense or justification of something, such as U.N. oil for food scandal, Saddam or Bill Clintons sexual deviance.

Tacit Acceptance-Implied or indicated but not actually expressed. An approval but hidden consent of allowing unusual, dysfunctional or bad behavior to exist as long as it helps the liberal agenda.

Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy (MSBP), occasions for being centre of attention are created by deliberately causing illness, injury or harm to others to provide opportunities for rescue and care. Often the MSBP sufferer will work as a nurse, perhaps in a hospital ward for sick children (especially very young babies) or in a home for elderly persons, or with severely handicapped people, or as a care giver. The common thread is a victim whose is vulnerable, whose verbal skills or emotional state or mental condition prevents them from explaining what the MSBP person is doing to them and whose hold on life may already be precarious. Even if the victim survives, they cannot or will not be a witness. Because death amongst these groups occurs normally and is therefore not unusual or unexpected, her activities in causing death may escape notice for years. Just replace Nurse with liberal then expand the definition to fit our entire society.

Disingenuous-Not straightforward or candid; insincere or calculating: "an ambitious, disingenuous, philistine, and hypocritical operator, who... exemplified... the most disagreeable traits of his time." Example #1 liberals that think the best way to care about a disease is to wear a ribbon. #2 Wanting to raise a national tax to avoid doing a hands on charity.

Multicultural-Of or relating to a social or educational theory that encourages interest in many cultures within a society rather than in only a mainstream culture. Example liberals no longer want a melting pot. They want a tossed salad

Unilateral-Emphasizing or recognizing only one side of a subject. Example Maxine Waters


5 posted on 03/03/2005 10:13:49 AM PST by april15Bendovr
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To: MikeEdwards

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of "liberalism" they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

-Norman Thomas, 6 time Socialist Party candidate for President of the United States


6 posted on 03/03/2005 10:14:15 AM PST by Fun Bob
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To: Fun Bob

That whole incremental approach appears to be breaking down these days Tom! Gonna have to fall back to classic 'own the media, own academia, indoctrinate the children' approach. Oh, wait a minute, that's changing too!

I know, lets take of the Democratic Party and install our guy at the top, that'll work.


7 posted on 03/03/2005 10:19:03 AM PST by wvobiwan (Paris Hilton for UN Sec. Gen. - At least we might get laid while we're getting screwed.)
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To: MikeEdwards

This is just part and parcel of the communists hiding by changing names. Liberal was hijack by the commies, then they went into "socialist" then then went into "progressive" and are now trying to bootstrap progressive of the past into moderdn liberalism.

It is all a double speak, owellian propaganda effort.

Imagine how the public would have voted if Kerry had just come out of the closet and declared PUBLICLY that he was really a socialist.


8 posted on 03/03/2005 10:19:21 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: MikeEdwards

File this one under "Duh".


9 posted on 03/03/2005 10:21:40 AM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: longtermmemmory

It's such an irony that so-called 'progressives' have such REGRESSIVE methods and goals. So much more delicious that they can't see that, it's like not being able to get the oil of out of your oil field because of all the diamonds in the way.


10 posted on 03/03/2005 10:22:20 AM PST by wvobiwan (Paris Hilton for UN Sec. Gen. - At least we might get laid while we're getting screwed.)
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To: MikeEdwards
A closer description is that they are "post modern post colonial deconstructionists."

Is it possible to have a constructive conversation with a deconstructionist? Never!

11 posted on 03/03/2005 10:23:51 AM PST by FreedomSurge
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To: MikeEdwards

Today, "liberal" means liberated from all absolutes of morals, God, laws, etc. It is subversive by nature because it rejects any societal norms as being "confining."


12 posted on 03/03/2005 10:26:56 AM PST by nightdriver
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To: MikeEdwards

The republican party of today has become socialists, and the Rats outright commies. That's the way I see it. Show me some real conservatives, anyone?


13 posted on 03/03/2005 10:44:51 AM PST by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: MikeEdwards

Socialists are not really liberals!


14 posted on 03/03/2005 10:46:12 AM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: MikeEdwards

Actually, todays liberals didn't change the meaning, they HIJACKED it to try to use it to their advantage!

Liberals should really be called 'Marxists' because that's exactly what they try to push on America.


15 posted on 03/03/2005 10:53:54 AM PST by Bigh4u2
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To: MikeEdwards

They call themselves progressives now, not liberals. And these progressives are really 'socialists' as you say. They call for peace at any price (america is aways wrong) and free health care. They act worried about oppressed foreigners whenever the USA does stuff(like bomb) but admit they couldn't care less about them when we help them by letting them vote or buying their products.

The only difference between them and classical communists is they want to let us vote, but then have liberal judges rule us by overriding our vote. And they put a racial, sexual oppression slant on everything while supporting terrorism.


16 posted on 03/03/2005 12:10:42 PM PST by marylandrepub1
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To: MikeEdwards
classical Liberal

A terminology used by the politically incompetent and cowards.

17 posted on 03/04/2005 12:23:49 AM PST by jackbob
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To: marylandrepub1

Toronto BUMP!


18 posted on 03/04/2005 7:14:59 AM PST by ConservativeStLouisGuy (11th FReeper Commandment: Thou Shalt Not Unnecessarily Excerpt)
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To: ConservativeStLouisGuy
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Liberals are Really Socialists

Nathan Tabor

Thursday, March 3, 2005

"Liberty has never come from the government....The history of liberty is the history of the limitation of governmental power, not the increase of it." – PRESIDENT WOODROW WILSON

Woodrow Wilson has often been called a Liberal. But Wilson’s brand of liberalism had its focus on opportunities and personal development, not government control.

When I was in college, back in the 1990s, I already knew that it made more sense to be a Conservative than a Liberal. But there was still a lot I didn’t know. One day in class, I criticized somebody as being a "classical Liberal."

My professor, being more astute than I, immediately asked me for the definition of a classical Liberal. When I fumbled for an answer, and eventually got it wrong, he taught me something I didn’t know. A Liberal was once what we call a Conservative today. For example, both Adam Smith and John Locke were known as Liberals in their day.

That moment was embarrassing for me, but enlightening. It is very interesting to observe how definitions change over time--usually because somebody co-opts a good word to advance a bad agenda. Like using "choice" as a euphemism for infanticide, or "diversity" to promote unnatural sexual deviance, or "tolerance" to legitimize heresy.

That’s exactly what has happened with the word Liberal. Being "liberal," in historical terms, is actually a good thing. The problem is, Democrats have perverted and changed its meaning. (This is a familiar pattern with Democrats.)

What do you think you’ll get if you go to Google and search: "what is liberalism?"

Here are two definitions of "liberalism" that I found on the Princeton website:

1. a political orientation that favors progress and reform;

2. an economic theory advocating free competition and a self-regulating market.

Wow! Both of those definitions sound downright Conservative to me. But let’s think about these interesting ideas in modern terms for a moment.

Regarding Definition Number One, the new-styled Liberals in the Democrat Party of today only want to "reform" things that give people more from the government and require less personal responsibility. Their idea of "progress" is a new government bureaucracy to tell people how to think and live.

As to Definition Number Two, the Liberals of today are the complete opposite of the free-market model. Their core agenda is to tax people and businesses to pay for their social programs. Along with all the nanny alphabet agencies like OSHA, EPA, EEOC, etc.--not very much self-regulating there!

Now let’s consider the definition of "Socialism." This is what you get if you go to Google and search "What is socialism?":

1. a theory or system of social organization by which the major means of production and distribution are owned, managed, and controlled by the government, by an association or workers, or the community as a whole; (Does this one sound like a Hillary Clinton speech, or what?)

2. an economic system in which the means of production are controlled by the state.

We wonder why the Chinese are taking over the production of most consumer goods sold in the U.S.A. The answer is simple. They use convict labor and pay slave wages. Meanwhile, back in the states, the Democrats have pushed for all these government programs, regulations and taxes that restrict the ability of our own domestic companies to compete on the global market.

Classical Liberalism is about freedom, and government leaving people alone.

Socialism is about total control, and government being involved in everything.

We ought to give hungry people a fishing pole and teach them how to fish; instead, we give them hot fried fish in a convenient to-go box at a drive-thru window!

It’s time to rename the party of Howard Dean, Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Michael Moore and all the rest. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck . . . then it must be a duck.

Today’s Liberals are really Socialists. If the Democrats ever wish to reach the common man, they are going to have to be honest with their agenda.


19 posted on 03/04/2005 7:18:14 AM PST by ConservativeStLouisGuy (11th FReeper Commandment: Thou Shalt Not Unnecessarily Excerpt)
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To: MikeEdwards

Woodrow Wilson, worst president in U.S. History.
He gave us the income tax, the U.N. (League of Nations), the Federal Reserve and got us into WWI to save J.P. Morgan's investment in French and British bonds.


20 posted on 03/04/2005 7:55:09 AM PST by hubbubhubbub
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