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To: redangus
I don't know your background or experiences

Click on my name at the bottom of the post - everyone has the option to offer a bio.

I have never met a woman who was pregnant who didn't talk about her baby in the present tense.

These are clearly women who want to have a baby and therefore are not concerned with choosing an abortion.

every thinking person knows that an expectant mother is carrying a baby not some non-descript fetus.

I disagree. There are many - maybe a majority - of people who make the distinction between a developing, potential human being and a baby which by most definitions has been through the process of birth. There are many stages in the process of developing and experiencing human life: conception, gestation, birth, infancy, childhood, etc. A sperm is alive but not a baby; a zygote is alive but not a baby; a fetus is alive but not a baby, after the process of human birth you have a human baby.

I feel very sorry for people like you who feel only those children that can be born into a "high quality of life" with great innate potential for happiness should be allowed to live.

You are feeling sorry for your own misconception regarding what I said. I do not feel that way. If a woman chooses to bring a child into a disadvantaged environment, that is fine with me - it is not my place to make decisions regarding who is and who is not brought into this human environment; I can not get pregnant and I certainly do not feel the need to force my current religious understanding upon others.

Who annointed you G*d and gave you the right to determine who over a long lifetime will enjoy a productive and useful life.

Again, I do not presume to know who will live what kind of life; but statistics indicate that a poor environment (especially one lacking love) results in negative consequences in the majority of cases. The critical point (which you seem to be avoiding) is the matter of freedom - freedom to choose; and that choice must be by the person most appropriate. I am not the one to choose, you are not the one to choose (for others); those in government are not the ones to choose, and the developing human does not have the capacity to choose - the person to choose is the potential mother.

90 posted on 03/07/2005 10:24:55 AM PST by Semper
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To: Semper

Since most of your response is just your opinion which happens to differs from mine, and we are all entitled to our opinions, I will limit my response to your last comment. You say it is only the potential mother's right to choose whether or not to end the pregnancy. Wrong the mother has already made her choice. Unless she was raped or a victim of incest you made her choice when she decided to have unprotected sex. After that and once she is kown to be pregnant it really isn't about her anymore, but about the life she has chosen to create.

The great weakness in the choice argument has always been that the choice has already been made and the abortion rights people want the opportunity for a do-over. But the only way you get a do-over in this type of situation is to kill the baby, end of story.

Moral relativism cloaked in new age philosphy doesn't change the facts that a new life with its own unique DNA pattern has been created and that abortion destroys that new life.


110 posted on 03/23/2005 8:15:10 AM PST by redangus
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