China: Execution of Tibetan Prisoners (photos, warning: gruesome)

Kyunghyang Daily ^ | 01/27/05 | N/A

[srm913]

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[plain talk]

So what was their crime, Mr. knowitall?

[NetValue]

The cruelty of the oriental is unspeakable as those of us of the WW II generation know so well. You can research it and find records and accounts but for reasons not well understood, the US classified most of the trial transcripts after the war - accounts of what the Japanaes and Chinese did to US aviators they captured.

[wtc911]

You jump on a weeks old thread to get snotty? What's your problem, did I steal your prom date?

btw...if you bothered to read the thread or if you remembered the original thread as many of us did then you would know that these chicks were found guilty of murder.

[Eaker]

That's what Michael Moore and Hillary want to do with us.....

An amazing number of people will just pass your post right up and never realize how poinant it is.

I am not interested in Moore, but Hillary has found religion and will prolly start praising gunownership.

In 2008 she doesn't have to fool all of the people, just some of them.

[plain talk]

OK. Murder. Thanks for making yourself useful by supplying me the answer DH. Now you can go back to sleep.

[wtc911]

What is your problem?

[Euro-American Scum]

As the world sits by and watches..............

As America continues to buy cheap Chinese trinkets at WalMart.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Where was I when all these pictures and thread comments were going? I must have missed it last week.

Bumping again for extended interest (since a number of interesting questions arose).

Bump!

I myself think they are rather recent due to the clothing, appear to be in December due to the low sun angle and thick jackets, scenery appears to be Tibet, and finally, it says in Chinese that they are a criminal, murderous gang. One of the signs on the girl in the white sweater says her crime, as well as her name: Lung Kum Feng (Japanese "Taka Kin Fu", or in English, the three characters for "Land", "Gold" and "Wind"). I am not sure that the name is Tibetan, appears to be "Han" ethnicity in orgin. Family name is "Lung".

One devil's advocate observation about these people killed, particularly the 'White Sweater Girl'. Does THAT face really look like that of a murderer or street criminal? Another devil's advocate position: In a place like the PRC which is full of executions, lies and fabrications, should we project our Western sense of truth and democracy and say that simply because the signs around their necks and on the truck call them murderers, accordingly, they ARE murderers? There is a long history in Communism of anti-revolutionaries being killed, and on the charges of murder or other charges.

At any rate, I conducted word searches both on Chinese search engines using the simplified Chinese script (such as in the PRC and Singapore, and found NOTHING with this girls' name on it), and further, I did it in the more traditional Chinese script, particularly from Taiwan sites, and found nothing.

Can somebody "google" the executed's name somewhere else on Chinese sites? Maybe some more details will emerge.

[wtc911]

One devil's advocate observation about these people killed, particularly the 'White Sweater Girl'. Does THAT face really look like that of a murderer or street criminal?

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You are far too worldly to think that there is such a thing as a criminal face.

[AmericanInTokyo]

You may be right.

Then again, I may be right.

Facts need to be established.

It is instructive, perhaps, that you have nothing to say about the other points I uncovered or added to the thread.

[wtc911]

"I may be right."......... No. your premise rests on there being some way to look at a picture of a face (not even directly into the face) and determining the character of the person in the picture. That did surprise me coming from you.

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" It is instructive, perhaps, that you have nothing to say about the other points I uncovered or added to the thread." ........

No again. Your other assertions rely on biased presumptions that are contradicted by the evidence that is presented. It is of course fine to take a position that the Chinese always lie but that is not a basis for wanting folks to believe that this is anything other than what is presented. PRC has crime, including murder. And, if the PRC wante to discourage rebellious actions why bother to take pictures mis-identifying the crimes committed?

As I said, you're smarter than this. But parlor games are fun.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Because of the undeniable record of China with respect to fair trials, transparency, due process, not to mention the dank record of World Communism in general since 1917, quite unfortunately the burden of proof exists upon you, that rather than to indulge in armchair speculation on this thread, but instead, to contribute to the holistic search for truth here. I offered several points based on scholarly research that, as you will, help fill in the blanks over and above what we had already established. As a result of that work, I have a Chinese (Tibetan?) name, supposedly, of one of those executed on that day. Some of the information I gathered and presented is contradictory, some of it is based on deeper instinct developed through my own years of experience in these kinds of things as well as that region of the world, some partial in nature, awaiting additional clarifications, confirmations or additions. At any rate, all of it is new. One of the points that I question regards the clothes the executed are wearing. If this is anywhere near Lhasa, why are they not in the garb of the central Gonganju facility which processes such public executions in Tibet, ie. w/ number on the chest (clothes), etc? Why is the execution primarily witnessed by overwhelmingly (from the photos) Chinese military and police, rather than involving more civilians who often are allowed to witness these. I suppose you are going to deny that every Chinese with the sign attached "murderer" or "thief", kneeling before the abyss, in the Peoples Republic of China since 1949 have in fact been actually the true perpretrators of those crimes, and not put in those sorry situations due to ny political and 'anti-revolutionary' actions taken? Accordingly, you cannot deny my inference of the possibility that this being China (occupied Tibet) that there exists a reasonable possibility that the soon to be executed in the photos may have been killed for other reasons? You can argue a parlor game with me, but I'll stick with the collection of facts based on both what we can determine by research, coupled with what we know in reality about the Chinese Government and such executions. Kindly join in that effort. You are above your current writings.

[AmericanInTokyo]

a 'cc' ping for you

[TigerLikesRooster]

Re #314

Thanks for your informative comment. To tell you the truth, I am also suspicious of the "official charge."

[briant]

And if you say anything about it the "free traders" will call YOU a communist. LOL

[jpsb]

I am also an interested party in this debate/research, the murder rap to be convincing will require more then a sign hung on the poor (may G*d have mercy on her soul) girls neck. If the location is in fact Tibet then the purden of proof will be grow greatly.

[Free Vulcan]

They may put a couple in my chest, but they'll never put one in the back of my head while I'm on my knees.

[Dr. Marten]

"Lung Kum Feng"

Unless your translating that into the old Wade-Giles form of pinyin, you missed those first two characters. It should be Lu Jin Feng as the girls name.

[Bon mots]

Quicker than lethal injection and more certain than the chair. The question is...what did they do?

Probably the same thing you or I would do if China took over our country.