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In Grits We Distrust (SSM, Canada and religious freedom)
CFP ^ | February 9, 2005 | Paul Albers

Posted on 02/09/2005 11:29:05 AM PST by MikeEdwards

How can anyone believe Justice Minister Irwin Cotler when he claims the government’s same-sex legislation will not affect religious freedoms? Over and over again the Liberals have proven that they either don't understand what freedom of religion is, or they don't really care about protecting it. I would rather trust Don Cherry to run a charm school than trust the Liberals to protect the free exercise of religion.

Not that long ago, amendments to hate crime legislation designed to protect religious expression were voted down by the Liberals, and church leaders were threatened with the loss of their tax-exempt status if they spoke out against same-sex marriage during the election campaign. Under Martin's leadership, the party tested how effective religious bigotry would be as an election strategy, polling Canadians on whether they would be "more or less likely to vote for the Conservatives if you knew they had been taken over by evangelical Christians". They also prepared ads along the same lines. Recently, Foreign Affairs Minister Pierre Pettigrew said that churches should keep their nose out of the public debate over same-sex marriage.

Freedom of religion is not confined to the interior of chapels and it applies to both individuals and churches. It is a basic human right that includes freedom from being compelled to act contrary to your faith, and freedom from persecution because of your creed. It includes the right to share your beliefs publicly and privately, to teach them to your children, and the right to participate in society on an equal basis with all other citizens. . . . .

(Excerpt) Read more at canadafreepress.com ...


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: canada; canadian; churches; conservatives; freedomofreligion; gaymarriage; gays; homosexualagenda; jefferson; lesbians; liberals; liberty; marriage; ping; religion; religious; samesex; samesexmarriage; ssm; tyrants; wedding

1 posted on 02/09/2005 11:29:06 AM PST by MikeEdwards
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To: MikeEdwards

What is it about the Liberals that they can continually mock the Canadian public (especially Ontario) by 'conveniently forgetting' their campaign promises when they have been returned to power?

Central Canada sold the nation down the liberal river 25 years ago, and they haven't got the balls to tack to the right, anymore. They've become a caricature of themselves.

Let Western Canada secede. It's long overdue.

That way Martin, Chretien, and their media lapdogs could exist in a worker's paradise, akin to the 1927 Soviet Union. It kills me to see what has become of my homeland.


2 posted on 02/09/2005 11:43:53 AM PST by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: MikeEdwards

I think my wife graduated from Don Cherry's charm school.


3 posted on 02/09/2005 11:48:06 AM PST by RonF
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To: ColoCdn
"What is it about the Liberals that they can continually mock the Canadian public (especially Ontario) by 'conveniently forgetting' their campaign promises when they have been returned to power?"

Breaking Campaign Promises is Legal in Ontario
4 posted on 02/09/2005 1:13:49 PM PST by UpHereEh (Standing with the U.S.Eh!)
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To: Old Mountain man

All freepers should read this no matter what nation they are in.


5 posted on 02/09/2005 2:02:10 PM PST by Grig
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To: UpHereEh; ColoCdn

I think i know why. I think 2/3 of people of Toronto don't even speak english.


6 posted on 02/09/2005 2:05:39 PM PST by -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
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To: RonF
I think my wife graduated from Don Cherry's charm school.

LOL, does she buy your clothes for you?


7 posted on 02/09/2005 2:10:51 PM PST by Grig
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To: All

Here is the full article.



In Grits We Distrust
by Paul Albers

February 9, 2005

How can anyone believe Justice Minister Irwin Cotler when he claims the government’s same-sex legislation will not affect religious freedoms? Over and over again the Liberals have proven that they either don't understand what freedom of religion is, or they don't really care about protecting it. I would rather trust Don Cherry to run a charm school than trust the Liberals to protect the free exercise of religion.

Not that long ago, amendments to hate crime legislation designed to protect religious expression were voted down by the Liberals, and church leaders were threatened with the loss of their tax-exempt status if they spoke out against same-sex marriage during the election campaign. Under Martin's leadership, the party tested how effective religious bigotry would be as an election strategy, polling Canadians on whether they would be "more or less likely to vote for the Conservatives if you knew they had been taken over by evangelical Christians". They also prepared ads along the same lines. Recently, Foreign Affairs Minister Pierre Pettigrew said that churches should keep their nose out of the public debate over same-sex marriage.

Freedom of religion is not confined to the interior of chapels and it applies to both individuals and churches. It is a basic human right that includes freedom from being compelled to act contrary to your faith, and freedom from persecution because of your creed. It includes the right to share your beliefs publicly and privately, to teach them to your children, and the right to participate in society on an equal basis with all other citizens.

Religious people and groups have every right to lobby government for laws in harmony with their moral views and to work for the election of representatives who will voice their concerns. They have a right, and a duty to speak out on moral issues, even if they happen to be members of the clergy. Priests' religious authority is not political authority, but they do have a democratic right to bring what political pressure they can muster to bear on matters of religion and morality.

Paul Martin won't even allow his cabinet the right to vote their conscience on same-sex marriage. Those opposed must put their political career above their personal morals or be forced out just as marriage commissioners from coast to coast are being forced out of their jobs because of their religious views.

Liberal appointed judges have shown great disregard for religious liberties as well. They upheld schoolteacher Chris Kempling's suspension for writing a respectful letter to the editor expressing moral opposition to same-sex pension legislation. Printer shop owner Scott Brockie was fined for refusing to produce materials that violated his conscience, and the Durham Catholic School Board lost the right to require students to adhere to Catholic standards of behaviour while at their school dances.

It simply isn't enough to legislate that churches can't be forced to perform a same-sex ceremony, even if that law is upheld. The Port Coquitlam chapter of the Knights of Columbus, a Catholic organization, has withdrawn from the community in the face of legal action against them for refusing to allow a lesbian couple to rent their hall for the wedding reception. Now only practicing Catholics can use their facilities.

You can expect more of the same if marriage is redefined. Anyone who draws a moral distinction between homosexual and heterosexual couples might want to have a good lawyer handy. Nothing in the bill stops the government from someday requiring church operated adoption agencies to give equal consideration to same-sex couples. Nothing in the bill ensures that a church will not lose its tax-exempt status or face some other penalty for refusing to accept same-sex unions as valid. Do we really want the kind of freedom of religion where some religions are 'more free' than others?

The societal impact outside the church is also cause for concern. Schools that receive public funding (which would include many Catholic schools) and government funded daycare centres could be required to actively contradict the moral teachings of Christian, Jewish and Muslim parents. Individuals who do not accept same-sex marriage as a human right, even on religious grounds, could find themselves disqualified from working as teachers, police, judges, or elected officials.

Pettigrew might change his mind about the separation of church and state being "one of the most beautiful inventions of modern times" if he realized just what it was that Thomas Jefferson meant by that phrase. Jefferson coined the term to reassure the Danbury Baptists that it was beyond the constitutional powers of the government to interfere with the free exercise of religion or to limit religious expression.

If you go to Washington D.C. and visit Jefferson's Memorial, you'll find these words of his carved deep in the marble: "Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever." I have no doubt that if Jefferson were alive; the Liberals would add him to their list of people who should shut up.


8 posted on 02/09/2005 2:17:37 PM PST by Capt. Canuck
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To: Grig

Sounds like it's time for a revolt.

To Arms!


9 posted on 02/09/2005 3:05:16 PM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Grig

In answer to your question - No, my wife is not blind.

See, I'm a native of Boston, and I'm a big Bruins fan. Say what you will about Don Cherry, but the Bruins were winners when he coached them.


10 posted on 02/09/2005 3:13:39 PM PST by RonF
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To: MikeEdwards

BUMP


11 posted on 02/09/2005 5:03:05 PM PST by Scourge of God (What goes here?)
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To: MikeEdwards

OK, I admit I don’t speak Canadian – I actually thought it was going to be an article criticizing Southern US cuisine.


12 posted on 02/09/2005 5:06:43 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: R. Scott

"OK, I admit I don’t speak Canadian – I actually thought it was going to be an article criticizing Southern US cuisine."

This should help:

Grits - members of the Liberal Party
Tories - members of the Conservative Party
Wankers - members of the New Democratic Party (ultra left)

OK, I made that last one up, but it fits.


13 posted on 02/09/2005 5:14:04 PM PST by Capt. Canuck
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To: Capt. Canuck

Now that just blew it for my favorite breakfast food. How can I eat a plate of sausage gravy and biscuits, eggs and grits without thinking of liberals?
But at least I learned something new this morning.


14 posted on 02/10/2005 2:57:55 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Capt. Canuck


Thanks for the full posting, Capt! :-)
15 posted on 02/10/2005 9:54:39 AM PST by ConservativeStLouisGuy (11th FReeper Commandment: Thou Shalt Not Unnecessarily Excerpt)
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To: Capt. Canuck

LOL!


16 posted on 02/10/2005 6:46:36 PM PST by Grig
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