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Plastic Aircraft Model Kits are Going Away
StrategyPage ^ | 1/31/05

Posted on 01/31/2005 7:41:53 AM PST by pabianice

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To: BigBobber
This is happening in the model railroad world as well.

I recall reading in a Modeling mag where the manufacturers and the railroad "flag" holders had come to some sort of accord on this.

A letter written by one of the CEO's explained that the requirement was "token", and was a reflection of our litigious society, therefore it was necessary to make a show of protection for the logos, etc, that are used on the models.

Not addressed, however, was the issue of the use of the likeness of a locomotive such as those built by General Electric or rail cars built by manufacturers still in business.

I think some of the older models may represent products built by companies long out of business.

The general thrust of the story was the problem had been somewhat solved, though.

Model Railroading, which I used to dabble in, is a multi-million dollar business (perhaps even approaching the billions, when one considers the rail fans, too) that I'm sure they don't want to kill off.

Nearly everyone that has ever played in a tech hobby has "violated" a copyright, I suppose.

What's next?

Is Harley-Davidson going to sue S & S for building an engine that has every physical appearance of a Harley Evo?

How about the after market frame manufacturers?

Harley at one time had expressed an intent to copyright the unique sound of their engine, caused no doubt by the efforts of the Japanese manufacturers to duplicate it.

There was even a rumor at one time that H-D was going to sue tattoo parlors and artists for putting the H-D logo on humans.

See how ridiculous this whole thing could get?

61 posted on 01/31/2005 8:55:28 AM PST by OldSmaj (Jihad this, Islam! Your religion is false and your god is non-existent! Come get me.)
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To: orionblamblam
Same thing in photography. Some cities want royalties for photos of their skylines. Of course, celebrities have their faces copyrighted. If you photograph a building, there's a good chance building management will want a royalty. I think some colleges, like the University of Texas want a royalty if you sell photos of the UT tower, but I'm not sure. I've even heard of some places wanting royalties for selling photographs of natural formations, etc.

Shakespeare was right. "The first thing let's do is..."

62 posted on 01/31/2005 8:57:15 AM PST by Richard Kimball (We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men are ready to do violence on our behalf)
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To: pabianice
A personal observation:
Had it not been for my love of model airplanes and tanks as a kid, I seriously doubt I ever would have gotten two engineering degrees and gone on to work for the defense industry (or the military, for that matter).

I thought there was a practical limit to my opinion of "suits". Speaking as a former kid and current father of a son, a pox on these blood sucking worms.

63 posted on 01/31/2005 8:57:18 AM PST by LTCJ
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To: buwaya

> they are well supplied with traditional glue-together model kits.

How are the prices? Twenty years ago you could by a decent WWII fighter model for a buck and a half. With, say 4% inflation, that should now be $3.50 or so. Good luck finding one less than $10.


64 posted on 01/31/2005 8:57:30 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: pabianice

Oh, fudge. This is going to impact the tabletop gaming community like no one's busines..


65 posted on 01/31/2005 8:57:41 AM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Osage Orange

Excuse me, "are ruining" should be "have ruined".. I'll be more accurate next time.


66 posted on 01/31/2005 8:59:03 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (If only I used my evil genius for good !)
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To: dmz
Hey, Boeing? Bite me!


67 posted on 01/31/2005 9:02:49 AM PST by pabianice
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To: fso301
There are numerous defenses a kit maker could use to invalidate such a patent, copyright or trademark suddenly being asserted against them after decades of unchallenged royalty free use.

Of course, there are. But the price of asserting them in a court of law -- that's the rub. Boeing, Lockheed, et al are lawyered-up and can pursue legal action in perpetuity. For their part, kit makers are looking at legal fees that would dwarf their profit margin.

68 posted on 01/31/2005 9:02:53 AM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: pabianice

YAAAGGGHHHH!

I'd better get my Peleliu model quick!


69 posted on 01/31/2005 9:03:45 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save bucks and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: Junior
Oh, fudge. This is going to impact the tabletop gaming community like no one's busines..

I've seen this issue mentioned on the Aces High (Massively Multiplayer On-line WWII simulation) Bulletin Board, I think, but I'm unaware of any companies going after computer games or board wargames for representing their aircraft or vehicles. Yet.

70 posted on 01/31/2005 9:04:46 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: SAMWolf; Darksheare; msdrby

Bloody hell. Now what's Spiderboy going to blow up in a few years?


71 posted on 01/31/2005 9:05:20 AM PST by Professional Engineer (Caution this poster contains 39 Transistors, 78 diodes, and 1776 blown capacitors.)
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BTW, Does anyone know if there exists a larger than 1/700 model of the USS Peleliu? An old buddy told me he'd seen one in Boston, but I can't verify/


72 posted on 01/31/2005 9:07:00 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save bucks and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: All
Lawyers don't make what you buy. They just make it more expensive... (from the group, Citizens for a Sound Economy).
73 posted on 01/31/2005 9:09:27 AM PST by ricer1
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To: Strategerist

A lot of us use the plastic 1/72 scale military vehicles. The really popular ones are the 1/300th scale "micro armor."


74 posted on 01/31/2005 9:10:13 AM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Junior

In terms of miniatures basically all I play are age of sail, so I don't think I have much to worry about. Boeing didn't build Ships of the Line.


75 posted on 01/31/2005 9:11:44 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: orionblamblam
It's what I was told by Boeing reps

That's really sick and disgusting. This sickness and disgustingness doesn't start with Boeing, though ... it starts with the low life lawyers who filed the suit, and the idiotic judge who didn't throw it out with prejudice.

76 posted on 01/31/2005 9:11:52 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: pabianice
Using copyrights to screw the producers and consumers, I see they are taking a page from the MPAA/RIAA. And since OUR taxes dollars paid for the real vehicles, I think they owe us a refund.

By the way, I personally collect and build models myself, mainly sci-fi imports (Bandai Gundam) model kits, and I also think this is both extortion and a ripoff.

I think model kit makers will start moving factories to China over this.

77 posted on 01/31/2005 9:15:05 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Strategerist

I'm heavily into Victorian Science Fiction gaming myself. Fortunately, I can scratch-build just about anything I need. It's unlikely I'll get sued by the contractors who built the Martian combat tripods or Her Majesty's steam juggernauts. However, a lot of the folks I know are into historical or pseudo-historical (NATO vs. Warsaw Pact) tabletop gaming, and I can see this coming home to roost for them.


78 posted on 01/31/2005 9:15:56 AM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: OldSmaj

Last year a guy put a long notice in the paper that his name is copyrighted, and that others can't use it or reproduce it without his express consent. Hmm...


79 posted on 01/31/2005 9:18:01 AM PST by polymuser
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To: Junior

Well, if they're going after plastic models, they'll go after small metal miniatures next.

The interesting thing is if they'll go after someone with a board wargame that simply has cardboard counter for a squadron of B-17s or something.


80 posted on 01/31/2005 9:22:50 AM PST by Strategerist
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