Posted on 01/28/2005 4:28:41 PM PST by metacognative
I mean, of course, the negative entropy required...
Here, listen awhile -- whether you "believe" in your keyboard or not, whether there's a whole State Unveristy full of non-believers who deny the truth of your keyboard's existance right across the street, that keyboard is still there. It is. Not the belief or the non-belief, the numbers of believers, the numbers of non-believers, the number and ingenuity of the torture machines of the inquistors, the magnicence and marvelous edifices and icons of the faithful -- all in support or in denial of your keyboard, will have an iota of difference in whether that keyboard is there or not.
Now of course, to be practical with a mere keyboard and all this religious warfare over its existance it is unlikely for the keyboard to survive. If one side is stronger -- the deniers -- they will destroy it, wipe it out, eradicate it and all memory of it. That just has to happen once in history. It is only a mere keyboard, remember.
And if your side is stronger -- the "keyboard believers" -- why it is likely you would enshrine the keyboard and gold plate it and remove it from the essential and instrinsic thing keyboarding function it was meant to be. Instead you will venerate and adore it as some mystical object too Holy to use. By placing your keyboard on a Holy Pedestal you will have ruined it, destoyed it in a diferent way -- destroyed it by removing it from the use it came into existence for.
So stop "believing" and instead accept the thing for what it is.
There are several hypotheses, but they have not been sufficiently tested yet so as to attain the status of theory. These hypotheses are very hard to test, so I doubt we'll have a good theory for quite some time.
It means you can't support your allegation.
When one Holy Warrior is trolling for suckers, what matters is the "witnessing," not whether the witnessing is false. It is evidently very, very bad form--more or less inexecusable--for one Holy Warrior to undercut another in the act of recruiting for the Holy War (or, for that matter, in public combat with the Heathen Foe).
That's why you almost never see it happen. This "science" is rotten to the core.
I submit to you quotes from the original article where #1 entered God into the discussion.
"For the Christian believer, the Bible presents the compelling and authoritative case for God's creation of the cosmos. Specifically, the Bible provides us with the ultimate truth concerning human origins and the special creation of human beings as the creatures made in God's own image. Thus, though we believe in more than Intelligent Design, we certainly do not believe in less. We should celebrate the confusion and consternation now so evident among the evolutionists. Dr. Stephen Meyer's article--and the controversy it has spawned--has caught evolutionary scientists with their intellectual pants down."
Space aliens?
Exactly. We see that "trick" all the time from the creationists. They will refer to some reputable scientist and then provide a link thinking that most lurkers will never bother to click on the link. They when they are busted, they say as you said above claiming innocence. You are busted twice.
Klaatu barada nikto!
You 'busting' me makes as much sense as Dawkins' climbing Mt. Impossible by going up the back way.
Mom's still working on the concept of "just because you post the article, that doesn't mean you get to dictate the terms of discourse". So, apparently, if I post an article that happens to mention, in passing, that babies taste best if you roast them fat side-up, at 325 degrees for 15 minutes per pound, as long as I say "I don't want to talk about eating babies!", you're not allowed to mention it. Just FYI.
WildTurkey: It means you can't support your allegation.
I do very much appreciate RobRoy’s desire not to fight the same battles over and again - as I imagine others on your "side" such as PatrickHenry, Ichneumon and VadeRetro would also. It takes a lot of reading to find a post with something new or particularly informative in an area which is of special interest to an individual Freeper or Lurker.
For instance, here are some points which I believe most of us would agree have been pretty much “settled” over the years but nevertheless get argued over and again:
That Darwin did not address abiogenesis in his theory, nor did he define “life” at all much less address how it came to be.
That the ”theory of evolution” does not include abiogenesis v biogenesis.
That the term ”evolution” reaches to include all kinds of gradual change over time.
That the Designer in Intelligent Design arguments could be God, collective consciousness or alien.
That the arguments for Panspermia are very similar to the arguments for Intelligent Design.
That there are theologians who accept evolution, e.g. the Catholic church.
That there are atheists/agnostics who do not accept evolution, e.g. Panspermia supporters such as Crick.
Some Christians base their theology on Adam being the first ensouled man.
Some Judeo/Christians base their understanding of Genesis 1 at approximately 6000 years from our space/time coordinates plus 6 days from the inception (big bang, relativity, inflationary theory) space/time coordinates.
Some Christians see the difference between verses 1 and 2 of Genesis allowing for billions of years.
Some Judeo/Christians see Genesis 1 through 3 speaking of both a physical realm and a spiritual realm.
But even there, the discussion tends to fall neatly based on the worldview each Freeper brings to the table, e.g. one's view of what is “all that there is”:
Truly, I wish there were some way that we could likewise organize matters on the generalized (and typically, quite large) evolution threads so that it would be easier to “fast forward” through the boilerplate.
Indeed, if for no other reason than because it seems to me that much of the frustration arises from addressing the same points over and over and over and over and...well, you get the idea ;)
If he has proof of false science being taught, I will be the first to work to fix it.
So WHAT!
So what? He's earned his bones, and is a valued FReeper. You are still a trouble making newbies, and don't you sass Alamo-Girl, take her advice to heart!
Forget it. We will never get past JohnnyM's proclamation that evolution is impossible because it is against the literal words of Genesis (according to J's interpretation of the literal words).
How do you get past "Go" when the article posted talks about God vs. Evolution.
How do you get past "Go" when we are continually refered to websites that prove evolution is impossible because it is contrary to the bible.
How do you get past "Go" when we are continually bombarded with the false science of the ID preachers that intentionally foul basic science theory inorder to promote their DVD's. No. Perhaps you should send this message to the ID'ers. It is them that want to keep the fight on that level; we are only responding to the attacks.
With regard to false statements appearing in science textbooks, I also have seen such lists. As I recall there was an organization or group reading textbooks for that very purpose. I don't recall if the group had an ideological or theological agenda, but I will see if I can find the link for you.
We all almost always agree in principle - it's the details that cause so much friction around here ;)
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