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crosswalk ^ | 2004 | creationist

Posted on 01/28/2005 4:28:41 PM PST by metacognative

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To: WildTurkey
>>I'm a spiratual person SCIENTIST who has absolutely no problems with spirituality, and I can assure you that I'm in no particular state of panic. I do have a problem with a lot of "religions" ...
81 posted on 01/28/2005 5:31:24 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: EricT.
honest discussion about Dr. Meyer's arguement, the evolutionist community brands his ideas as "substandard science"

Have you read his philosophy? His whole basis is that evolution does not fully explain the world therefore, since we can't explain it, God did it.

That is NOT science.

82 posted on 01/28/2005 5:33:27 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: NRA Patriot 1976
…I don't know about the evolution from apes part.

Why is it that only the creationists say that man evolved from apes? Have they ever heard the term “common ancestor”?
83 posted on 01/28/2005 5:33:51 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: EricT.
He is dismissed as a heretic, with no facts given to disprove his theory.

He doesn't have a theory. He has a hypothesis that says God did it. That cannot be proven or disproven.

84 posted on 01/28/2005 5:34:23 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey
I believe that God is not some shapeless being but that He is, in appearance, like us although He is glorified, perfect and omnipotent and that we were made to look like Him. It's not something I can know for myself since I've never seen Him, but its a teaching in the Christian faith that I believe in.
85 posted on 01/28/2005 5:36:42 PM PST by NRA Patriot 1976 (God bless our troops)
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To: Junior; VadeRetro; longshadow

Want the ping list used for this?


86 posted on 01/28/2005 5:37:21 PM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: WildTurkey
What, exactly is meant by "man was made in God's image"?

What many seem to mean is God was made in man’s image – a father figure with a long white beard (ala Sistine Chapel ceiling).
87 posted on 01/28/2005 5:37:37 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Calusa
the implication of a Universe without God.

I fathom that all the time - and frankly, a universe with a God is only more confusing to ponder than a universe without a God. The origins of the universe are unknown to me (for now :) but I simply can't replace one infinite with another infinite - that does me no good.

I think there is something beautiful about a nature that could produce collections of atoms that could ponder their own origin. I think it almost defiles that beauty to simply cast it all aside and replace it with something we've anthropomorphized into an answer. There is something mysterious about nature that we do not yet understand, and who knows, we may never understand it. But we do no favor to ourselves by ignoring the true wonder of nature in favor of another enigma - one that has NO hope of ever being truly understood.

88 posted on 01/28/2005 5:38:42 PM PST by Abulafia
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To: WildTurkey
Have you read his philosophy? His whole basis is that evolution does not fully explain the world therefore, since we can't explain it, God did it.

Please point me to where he said this. I find it hard to believe that a PhD would confuse species propagation theory with planetary origin theory.

89 posted on 01/28/2005 5:41:23 PM PST by EricT. (Join the Soylent Green Party...We recycle dead environmentalists.)
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To: PeterPhilly
It would be sort of like allowing me, with my doctorate in molecular genetics to design the invasion strategy in Iraq. I can have fact-based suggestions, but my level of expertise in that area does not approach what would be required to have a realistic chance of success! In my mind however, there has never been a conflict between the concepts of intelligent design and evolution. I simply regard evolution as a possible mechanism by which the intelligent design was achieved.

Wow! It's nice for this lay reader of books on paleontology to find herself in the company of someone with a doctorate in molecular genetics, who thinks as I have thought for some time: that evolution IS intelligent design. Evolution doesn't challenge the existence of God. It challenges the assumptions of men who presume to tell the rest of us how God does and does not work His miracles.

90 posted on 01/28/2005 5:47:03 PM PST by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: Abulafia
a universe with a God is only more confusing to ponder

Yeah,right, but then..Where do my inalienable rights come from??

91 posted on 01/28/2005 5:47:06 PM PST by Calusa (For want of a 'Compelling Narrative' the election was lost, quoth Neil Gabler.)
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To: Calusa

A random sequence of proteins in our DNA -- the "inalienable sequence".


92 posted on 01/28/2005 5:49:49 PM PST by bvw
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To: Abulafia

Subatomic philosphers: Rest mass is all about "pondering one's origin".


93 posted on 01/28/2005 5:51:29 PM PST by bvw
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To: metacognative

Z. Stichin is more credible than the dinko darwinites.


94 posted on 01/28/2005 5:53:32 PM PST by Waco
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To: bvw
A random sequence of proteins in our DNA -- the "inalienable sequence".

I was afraid you were gonna say that.

95 posted on 01/28/2005 5:53:46 PM PST by Calusa (For want of a 'Compelling Narrative' the election was lost, quoth Neil Gabler.)
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To: Calanus
Cal anus. Well, at least you chose an appropriate screen name.
96 posted on 01/28/2005 5:56:52 PM PST by itsamelman (“Announcing your plans is a good way to hear God laugh.” -- Al Swearengen)
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To: WildTurkey

In 1923, while still a graduate student at the University of Paris, Louis de Broglie published a brief note in the journal Comptes rendus containing an idea that was to revolutionize our understanding of the physical world at the most fundamental level.

Didn't have a Ph.D but got the Nobel Prize


97 posted on 01/28/2005 6:10:11 PM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: Calusa
Yeah,right, but then..Where do my inalienable rights come from??

This isn't going to be a popular answer, because many view the *words* of the founding fathers as almost on par with scripture, but....

We don't have truly inalienable rights in the descriptive sense - they only exist in the normative sense. What are rights? They're duties imposed on another actor - when those duties are observed then rights are *conferred*. Rights are not created without someone else first observing their duty. God has no duty to me and cannot confer rights to me - only my fellow human being can do that. My rights to live, liberty, and happiness are not because God is observing his duty, but because my fellow man is. When my fellow man stops observing that duty then I most certainly lose the rights conferred from that duty. My rights are protected by the state through their use of police power. God does not ensure that my rights are upheld, not in this lifetime - and that's the one I'm personally interested in. I have a wife in this life - and I want her rights and my rights to be respected in this life. And this is accomplished by the state through the creation of laws and penalties.

If/when someone fails to observe their duty and infringes upon my rights then the state intervenes and imposes a penalty on the transgressor (and hopefully the threat of this penalty will prevent one from transgressing in the first place). But without a state to protect my rights, it does me no good for those rights to be called "inalienable" - because I can most certainly be alienated from those rights as soon as the contract with my fellow human beings breaks down. God doesn't enter into this equation, there is no contract bebcause there are not two parties involved who can represent themselves plainly.

98 posted on 01/28/2005 6:10:30 PM PST by Abulafia
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To: PatrickHenry

I dunno. The creos have been positing the death of evolution since 1825. Forward the Luddite Brigade!


99 posted on 01/28/2005 6:11:20 PM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Nice story. Best of all you can tell it any way you want.

Hey, well. Hey everyone. Festers here!

100 posted on 01/28/2005 6:16:39 PM PST by narby ( A truly Intelligent Designer, would have designed Evolution)
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