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crosswalk ^ | 2004 | creationist

Posted on 01/28/2005 4:28:41 PM PST by metacognative

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To: js1138

I dunno. It'd sure be nice if we were autotrophs, but it just doesn't seem to be in the cards, no matter how much we might wish for it...


1,481 posted on 02/02/2005 10:54:24 AM PST by general_re (How come so many of the VKs have been here six months or less?)
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To: bvw

I just tossed the following sequence. What is the probability (You can provide the formula if you like):

HTTHT THHTT TTTHH HTTTH HTHTH THTHT TTTTH HTTTT HTTHH TTTHH


1,482 posted on 02/02/2005 10:55:45 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey
The "assuming randomness" -- by which you must mean that the coin and toss are designed so that neither face is more likely -- that is the sticker. Whyever would you do that?

Never play three-card monte against one of those park card-sharks. Why? Same reason. The outcome of the game is designed, even though the shark will make every effort to make it appear to fit your "random" assumption.

1,483 posted on 02/02/2005 10:56:59 AM PST by bvw
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To: bvw

It is almost 11:00:00.00 AM on 2/2/2005. What is the probability of that date and time occuring in the whole life of the earth?


1,484 posted on 02/02/2005 10:57:37 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: bvw

I notice that you ducked the question ...


1,485 posted on 02/02/2005 10:58:29 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey

1 part in two to the whatever.


1,486 posted on 02/02/2005 10:59:26 AM PST by bvw
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To: bvw
Whyever would you do that?

You started on this "randomness thing".

1,487 posted on 02/02/2005 10:59:57 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: metacognative
NOTE: This is a 'truth of science' debate. Leave God out of it, and keep minds open!

Really? This is a 'truth of science' debate? Leave God out of it?

OK! My mind is "open." Why is it that if you wanted God to be left out of this "debate" did you post this...
For the Christian believer, the Bible presents the compelling and authoritative case for God's creation of the cosmos. Specifically, the Bible provides us with the ultimate truth concerning human origins and the special creation of human beings as the creatures made in God's own image. Thus, though we believe in more than Intelligent Design, we certainly do not believe in less. We should celebrate the confusion and consternation now so evident among the evolutionists. Dr. Stephen Meyer's article--and the controversy it has spawned--has caught evolutionary scientists with their intellectual pants down.
Hmmmmmm?

It's OK for you and your article to talk about God and His hand in creation but not for us to?
How is this not a case of hypocrisy? Better yet, how is it that the entire article is about a paper written by a previously well respected scientist who concludes that creation had to have a "creator" and you want us to not discuss this fact?
I'm confused ???
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. (1 Corinthians 14:33)

1,488 posted on 02/02/2005 11:00:36 AM PST by divulger
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To: bvw
You must make an overly strong assumption about the coin and toss to say that.

You are missing the point. Any predefind series is equally likely or unlikely. When creationists assert that the outcomes of evolution are unlikely, they are predefining a specific series.

The important point is that the series that led to current life forms is not the only series possible. There is nothing in biology that predicts, in advance, the occurrance of any particular structure or trait.

1,489 posted on 02/02/2005 11:00:46 AM PST by js1138
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To: bvw
1 part in two to the whatever.

Uh do you mean 1 divided by 250?

1,490 posted on 02/02/2005 11:01:25 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey

Unity.


1,491 posted on 02/02/2005 11:01:51 AM PST by bvw
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To: Doctor Stochastic

If the Plant Kingdom vanished tomorrow, the Animal Kingdom would certainly survive - granted almost all of the current genera would swiftly fall to extinction. It'd be interesting to see what a primarily fungivorous ecology looked like, not that we'd be around to see it!


1,492 posted on 02/02/2005 11:03:10 AM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: WildTurkey
The fault of the extreme fundamentalist evos is that they claim their arbitrary choice of an apriori assumtion of randomness is inarguable, that it is the only choice.

The three-card monte shark loves people to make such assumptions -- it pays his bills.

1,493 posted on 02/02/2005 11:05:15 AM PST by bvw
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To: bvw
The three-card monte shark loves people to make such assumptions -- it pays his bills.

Sort of like how the dummies send their money to the creationists' website on the assumption that those guys actually have something of worth to buy?

1,494 posted on 02/02/2005 11:06:54 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Ichneumon; WildTurkey; Alamo-Girl; marron; PatrickHenry; cornelis; StJacques; ckilmer; ...
It looks to me as if WildTurkey took betty boop's earlier offer to "root out evil" as a playfully worded but sincere offer to help get some inaccurate/dishonest creationist sources to correct their falsehoods, if some examples could be provided which need correcting. That's also how I understood her post.

You are most gracious, Ichneumon, to step into this fray! Looks like I owe WildTurkey an apology, despite the fact that by no means was I trying to "trick him" or make him look like a fool. It was just a light-hearted moment.

FWIW, I can get just as torqued off by certain claims that "creationists" make as you or WT. In my case, I think it is ill-advised (man, am I gonna catch HAIL for using that word!) to read the sublime language of the Holy Scriptures literally, as if the Book were no more than a "how-to manual" or "textbook."

If WildTurkey would like to, we can start off fresh. If there's any particular statement of the anti-evo crowd to which he particularly objects, we could start there. Then we can all jump on it!

Thanks again, Ichneumon!

1,495 posted on 02/02/2005 11:07:10 AM PST by betty boop
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To: divulger

Excellent point. It is the essence of hypocrisy.


1,496 posted on 02/02/2005 11:07:28 AM PST by bvw
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To: betty boop
If WildTurkey would like to, we can start off fresh. If there's any particular statement of the anti-evo crowd to which he particularly objects, we could start there. Then we can all jump on it! Fair enough (er, doesn't that sound a little familiar?) OK. Tough job. I gave you a list. Where do we start? I do believe, though to be successful, we will need more than just you to assist in this endeavor.
1,497 posted on 02/02/2005 11:10:41 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey

Oh boy. Here I am supposed to be finalizing my IRS 1040s and you talk about people volunteering to send their money to research efforts they wish to encourage. Making all the more frustrating when I think of my money going to fund all sorts of mis-guided and silly research and I have no direct say in it.


1,498 posted on 02/02/2005 11:12:53 AM PST by bvw
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To: bvw
and you talk about people volunteering to send their money to research efforts they wish to encourage.

You must be thinking of someone else. I was talking about the fools that by the books and DVDs from the kooks that run the creationists' websites.

1,499 posted on 02/02/2005 11:16:15 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: bvw

Did you agree with my 1490?


1,500 posted on 02/02/2005 11:16:57 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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