Posted on 01/28/2005 4:28:41 PM PST by metacognative
It is amazing that whenever your errors are pointed out, you think they are significant. That is why those kooks on those websites make all that money selling y'all DVDs!
I didn't drag God into the debate. There was a whole paragraph in the original article. You have been told this three times. Why do you keep lying?
Boy! This is really series!
But not contradictory.
I’ve heard some Christians say this. I’ve also heard Muslims say similar things about their non-coreligionists. Etc. Another story for another time. Point for now is, this Christian doesn’t say such a thing. And wouldn’t.
Really. Some of the "Christians" right here have told me that I am doomed to hell for not being a Christian.
If he is tired of fighting the same argument, he should not bring the subject up! His answer is the typical dodge. I have asked several to support similar claims but none can. That leads to my logical conclusion that RR is just blowing smoke.
I think people should keep their spiritual beliefs out of science discussions.
(2) Do you think some times in human history are more laden with potential than others ?
Yes.
(3) Do you think these current days, weeks and months we are living are indeed special ?
Yes.
P.S. Your flow chart is very clever.
I just "borrowed" it from another.
:-)
Most life is single-celled, by any measure -- numbers, varietiey, weight. Large organisms are at the outer edge of the bell curve.
Concerning your third question: the mutations are random but the selection is not. The problem is that you must explain how the advancement appears in the first place.
That is the explanation. There is no "advancement", just change that survives selection. The mechanisms by which the genome becomes longer are fairly well understood and are observable -- duplications, viral insertions, etc.
Then it seems to me they are saying more than they really know. For they don't know how you will "turn out," what you will become, etc.; and they don't know how Christ will judge you. For all they know, He may have a very special place in His heart for you....
In any case we are directed to love our neighbor as ourself. To flat-out tell someone that they are damned to Hell doesn't strike me as being particularly neighborly.... FWIW
Selection is statistical. Allele change in a population is gradual. Consider the casino. Does the house always win? No. Does the house make a profit? Yes.
Life plays with an unlimited budget, because the sun keeps pumping the money in. The populations that have the statistical edge will usually prosper. But things change, sometimes suddenly, and extinctions occur.
We are all predestined, right?
Not if being multicellular gave them an edge in the survival game.
Check out sponges.
Read it again. You can't cool something by transferring heat to it. The thermo books are quite definite on that. The light from a laser is most definitely not heat.
The question he asked was stupid in the first place. The availability of energy is not relevant; what is relevant is the quality of the energy, of which the temperature of the energy source is a measure. I pointed out this elementary principle to him, and he ignored it.
Here's a trivial example: the ice in the Greenland ice cap has a comparatively low entropy. Its original source was an ocean, where it had a much higher entropy. How was its entropy lowered? How was the increased order produced? Evaporation following by wind transport, both which processes are driven by heat from the sun; but more importantly, driven by heat applied at a high temperature in one location and removed at a lower temperature in another location.
I'm happy to dispel ignorance under any circumstances, but if one wants me to do it patiently and courteously, one needs to pay the appropriate tuition to the University of Nebraska at Lincoln. :-)
Low probability does not equate to impossibility. Especially, considering the infinite universe, it is very probable.
See my last post. The flux of energy from the sun transports water from the tropics to the poles, where it condenses as ice, with a large decrease in entropy. No intelligence needed.
Assumes facts not in evidence.
An excellent summary.
One more time. Here is the quote from the article posted to start this thread. And YOU accuse me of dragging God into the discussion!
"For the Christian believer, the Bible presents the compelling and authoritative case for God's creation of the cosmos. Specifically, the Bible provides us with the ultimate truth concerning human origins and the special creation of human beings as the creatures made in God's own image. Thus, though we believe in more than Intelligent Design, we certainly do not believe in less. We should celebrate the confusion and consternation now so evident among the evolutionists. Dr. Stephen Meyer's article--and the controversy it has spawned--has caught evolutionary scientists with their intellectual pants down."
Only in the sense that God is omniscient, having total foreknowledge of how all things will turn out. From outside of space and time, from Eternity, He sees everything, comprehensively, instantaneously, simultaneously. But from the human standpoint, it seems to me we do not have this kind of knowledge. We are denizens of space and time, moving towards an uncertain, unknown future. And we possess God's gift of free will. This is a very difficult theological problem, however. My own particular faith tradition does not stress predestination, but free will.
They bought the DVD! What more can you expect.
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