Hitler Wasn't Elected, Mr. Turner

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[ConservativeStLouisGuy]

Am listening to Rush now and LOL. He has a "secret microphone" listening in to the joint victory party by the NOW gang and the NAACP over the confirmation of the first black woman to be Sec. of State, Condi Rice. And of course, there is dead silence and finally the chirping of crickets. What a great way to illustrate the hypocrisy of these liberals!

I heard that too....now if someone can replicate the sound of tumbleweeds blowing across an open prairie...well, that too would be great!

[ConservativeStLouisGuy]

It's just a warning to closely scrutinize and distrust any legislation passed quickly in a moment of nationalistic fervor to "protect the homeland (motherland)."

Your point is well-taken, friend.

[ConservativeStLouisGuy]

OOPS! What I described was the way Turner OBTAINED his media empire...shame on me....

[ConservativeStLouisGuy]

People should remember that there is a GIGANTIC difference between an instigated event and one which was the action of REAL and deadly enemies. You apparently are not be aware of this difference.

I concur....well said...it's time for a quick side-by-side to make my point...

President Bush does NOT equal....




THIS evil man.

[ConservativeStLouisGuy]

See post #44

[justshutupandtakeit]

Nor does a half-wit "communist" equal a dedicated hardcore terrorist killer.

[RightWingReader]

Hitler was a megalomaniacal out-of-control demogogue, incompetent planner and hoarder of property. If we apply those traits alone, if anything is "Hitler", it's Ted Turner and CNN.

[ConservativeStLouisGuy]

[antiRepublicrat]

difference between an instigated event and one which was the action of REAL and deadly enemies

Marinus van der Lubbe was a communist nut running around Berlin trying to set fire to government buildings to protest capitalism. He definitely lit the fire, and the Nazi participation in the event is highly disputed. At his trial, even Göring said that Hitler merely took advantage of the situation to arrest the communists that night. Göring was actually not happy about this, because they already had a list of communists to arrest, and an organized series of arrests were planned for a few days from then. Hitler's decision to arrest on the night of the fire messed up Göring's plans and, in his view, allowed many members to escape.

So, if the Nazis had started the fire, don't you think they would have done it when they were ready to arrest the communists, not before?

[ConservativeStLouisGuy]

Hitler was a megalomaniacal out-of-control demogogue, incompetent planner and hoarder of property. If we apply those traits alone, if anything is "Hitler", it's Ted Turner and CNN.

Okay, then, time for these side-by-side photos....

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[MarkL]

Rush NAILS Ted Turner on his comparing the Fox News Channel to Hitler....

More to the point, Turner equates FNC watchers to the people who supported Hitler.

If he were to say something like that in my presence, I have no doubt that I would have gotten violent with him.

Mark

[Publius6961]

and does need most of the provisions of the Patriot Act to help it along. Can we at least agree on that point?

I would rather simply address simple historical facts on this thread.

The only point I will concede is that the Patriot Act may need constructive criticism, but never within miles of any thread that implies a connection to Hitler or the Nazis. That is gratuitous ignorant politics and baiting. I refuse to play.

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

I thought everyone knew this. And you tell me the libs consider we redneck types ignorant?

[ConservativeStLouisGuy]

The only point I will concede is that the Patriot Act may need constructive criticism, but never within miles of any thread that implies a connection to Hitler or the Nazis. That is gratuitous ignorant politics and baiting. I refuse to play.

Okay, okay, okay, let's take a D-E-E-P breath here....(ah, better)....let me understand you here....I posted this thread because I agreed with what Rush mentioned in his (transcribed) radio program from yesterday, namely that Teddie Turner couldn't get away with comparing the Fox News Channel with Hitler's rise to power (supposedly Hitler was "popularly elected" and the like). What this thread may or may not have "degenerated" into is another matter....And for all those kook-conspiracists who think that the Patriot Act is comparable to Hitler's edicts, I believe Publius6961 is alluding to you (you are, aren't you?)

Let's not start tossing around labels here, okay?....

[ConservativeStLouisGuy]

Did I just say "kook-conspiracists"? Oh, erase, erase, erase....

[ops33]

Actually, that's not true. There were many parties during that election and several won seats in the Reichstag, including the Communist Party. Part of the election strategy of the Nazi's was to encourage so many parties that the Nazis would win. Under a Parlimentary system, a party does not have to have a majority of the seats to win the election. The Nazis won the most number of seats in the Reichstag and together with other parties formed a coalition that gave them a majority. And the majority chose the next Chancellor. No offense, but it is the same system in Israel and other countries that use a Parliamentary system. Most Israeli Prime Ministers are from parties that do not have a majority of seats in the Knesset but form coalitions with other parties to gain a majority. My source for the election that gave the Nazis their majority in the Reichstag, and allowed Hitler to become Chancellor, is the history "Hitler" by Joachim Fest.

[FourtySeven]

A good historical (re)education.

[ConservativeStLouisGuy]

Actually, that's not true. There were many parties during that election and several won seats in the Reichstag, including the Communist Party. Part of the election strategy of the Nazi's was to encourage so many parties that the Nazis would win. Under a Parlimentary system, a party does not have to have a majority of the seats to win the election. The Nazis won the most number of seats in the Reichstag and together with other parties formed a coalition that gave them a majority. And the majority chose the next Chancellor. No offense, but it is the same system in Israel and other countries that use a Parliamentary system. Most Israeli Prime Ministers are from parties that do not have a majority of seats in the Knesset but form coalitions with other parties to gain a majority. My source for the election that gave the Nazis their majority in the Reichstag, and allowed Hitler to become Chancellor, is the history "Hitler" by Joachim Fest.

The way you describe it is sort of the way the last federal election went up here in Canada last year: The Liberals got (I think) 135 seats, the Conservatives 99 seats, the Block Quebequois 77(?) seats and the NDP 40(?) seats. Apart there was no "majority party". The only difference is that up here no one has (yet) formed a coalition with the Liberals as (I believe) the the other parties know that the Liberals do not have an effective governing power by themselves -- and that another election is in the offing....(hopefully soon!)

[ConservativeStLouisGuy]

Limbaugh is playing on his audience's ignorance on the issue of Hitler's valid, democratic election to the Chancellorship. He's either ignorant himself or he is being dishonest.

Okay, I'll take your numbers at face value -- as I don't have any way to refute them. Thanks for discussion input.