RE: "I am not talking religion. I am saying that many cultures (in fact, the vast majority) understood same sex acts to be perverse, against the natural order, unhealthy, and immoral."
And they are right because they are the majority? Well, F-me, I guess I have to start hating the homos now because many "cultures" consider such bigotry to be excusable.
RE: "So you are saying that any viewpoint which isn't completely divorced from all religious or traditional moral values is suspect."
I said nothing of the sort. But it is a fallacy of your argument to believe that any viewpoint which you consider to be backed up by your religious beliefs can then be imposed upon others without question. Not everyone is a Christian, and not every Christian is YOUR kind of Christian (I'm a Christian, and most certainly not like you).
RE: "If you think the the elimination of homosexuality from the APA's list of mental disorders was due to anything other than homosexual strongarm tactics, you have read nothing and know nothing."
No, I think the very inclusion of homosexuality on the APA's list of mental disorders in the first place was a strong arm tactic of zealous theologians who disguised their ignorance as unsupported "science" (much like the nasty groupthink among evolutionists that causes them to label any believer in creationism a nut).
RE: "I strongly urge you to read up on the matter. You're just putting your foot in your mouth. Even Spitzer, the psychologist (or psychiatrist, can't remember) who went along with the charade in the the 70's now admits he was wrong, and that homosexuals can change."
Condescending attitudes get you nowhere with me, boyo. I am very well read on the matter, I assure you. Spitzer is inaccurate in his assumptions, neglecting to take into account the human being's almost impossible ability to will himself into conformity in situations where he believes he may suffer among loved one's if he doesn't. Most of the gays who claimto have "changed" have really only changed because their family, friends, or relations would not tolerate them if they were to pursue their natural atractions. "Peer Pressure" is far from just a schoolyard issue, you know...
It is certainly clear from this data that an anti-homosexual bent is certainly not the prevailing norm for conservatives. This can also be evidenced from the Alan Keyes election where he captured only 27% of the popular vote in a state where Bush captured 45%.
This data shows that virtually half of the republican VOTING base shares the same view toward homosexuality as you do - basically a live and let live philosophy.
The formatting of the table isn't that great, but I hope it is comprehendable.
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Overall |
Bush |
% To Total |
Kerry |
% To Total |
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Legally Marry |
25% |
22% |
6% |
78% |
20% |
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Civil Unions |
35% |
52% |
18% |
47% |
16% |
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No Legal Recognition |
37% |
70% |
26% |
29% |
11% |
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50% |
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47% |