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To: melbell
You don't read I can see.

Mary cannot rescue anyone from anything. Whether or not "saints" pray for you after they are dead I cannot answer, although I do not believe that they do. But even if she can intercede for you to God, this does not mean that whatever she tells God to do, he will do.

No this is true, but I would like her as a prayer partner, wouldn't you? I am sure she won't pray for things offensive to God, and God wouldn't grant them would he? Your prayer for me to leave the Church Christ founded would be indeed offensive to God.

She has NO BEARING WHATSOEVER ON ANYONE'S SALVATION AND UNTIL YOU CAN GIVE ME A BIBLE VERSE TO COUNTER THAT THEN I MAINTAIN THAT YOU ARE PREACHING HERESY.

I did. She did not Pray when she said, "My soul does magnify the Lord"? It makes no sense that just because someone dies, they stop praying. I am telling you what the Church holds true for 2000 years. What did man do before the year 397 when St. Jerome compiled the First Bible in it's form today? I don't think they even had a caps lock key.

And I eat unleavened bread and drink the fruit of the vine as symbolic of Christ's body and blood.

GO back and reread the scripture. My body is real food. His Body is his Body, either you eat it or you don't. No symbol is involved.
127 posted on 01/14/2005 6:35:29 AM PST by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Dominick

Um. Luke 22:19-20 CLEARLY defines his body and his blood. From Jesus's own mouth:
19And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
20Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

It doesn't say he broke off his arm and they all munched on it. He gave them this bread and wine as a symbol of his flesh and blood, and said later, "this do in remembrance of me"

And I don't care how you try and justify the 15 promises of Mary. They clearly state that anyone who prays to her, their soul will not perish. And that is still, and always will be, heresy. And I will not believe for a second that she actually said those things, because Mary knew that the only way to Heaven was through Jesus and God. And I don't think she would have said she could see to it anyone was saved. I will let you know now, that I will no longer argue this point. Because you do not care what the Bible says. And that's all I have for reference.


130 posted on 01/14/2005 6:41:40 AM PST by melbell (There are 10 types of people in the world...those who understand binary, and those who don't.)
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