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(Vanity) CA FReeper seeks advice on gun purchase, training, licensing
Self ^ | January 12, 2005 | Self

Posted on 01/12/2005 2:43:22 PM PST by pogo101

Sorry for the vanity, but I'm a Californian (L.A. County, if that matters) who's strongly considering purchasing a legal firearm for home defense. (I guess I can pretty well forget about getting a CW permit, given where I live, hm?)

I haven't a clue where to begin researching what I understand to be a myriad of regulations and licensing requirements. I'd also like information on how to train for safest use and handling of whatever I might buy. Help!

What I think I need is NOT a hand-typed custom response to my question but rather read-it-myself reference material (ideally a FAQ- and link-packed website).

Many thanks!


TOPICS: US: California; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; california; gun; rtkba
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To: Smogger

Also try .40
I know people who didn't like other calibers and then tried .40 and got it. It balances capacity, stopping power, recoil, etc., pretty well for home defense, and many police departments are switching to it.


21 posted on 01/12/2005 3:31:10 PM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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To: pogo101

Check out the California Rifle and Pistol Association too. They do good legislative work (the state is an absolute uphill battle) and may be able to recommend instructors.

http://www.crpa.org


22 posted on 01/12/2005 3:41:21 PM PST by GunsareOK
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To: NorCalRepub

"firearms are no problem in Calif" -- hahahaha. You have to be kidding. Los Angeles County, no guns (unless you are a Legislator or a Hollywood Star, of course). Riverside County is supposed to be easier to get a concealed/carry permit, as is Orange County. Must be the cause of the LOW crime rate in LA County (hahahah)(NOT).


23 posted on 01/12/2005 3:54:23 PM PST by bboop
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To: international american

OK


26 posted on 01/12/2005 4:41:51 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Could someone tell me how to set up a tagline? Any help is appreciated. Thanks)
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To: bboop

ok.......i stand corrected. I should have said that it is no problem in Central and Northern Calif. You can even get a CCW but theya re really strict......I own a Rem 870 shotgun, 308 weatherby rifle, .22 lever action Marlin 39a, a Ruger 357 and ruger .22 ........never had any problem at all and don't hunt as much as most back east etc but can always go out and shoot etc........what do the hunters do that live in LA county.........?>?????????...you mean to tell me you can't own a rifle or shotgun in southern calif. I just can't believe that......


27 posted on 01/12/2005 5:26:48 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: pogo101
You have two good links in No. 15.  I've trained with Greg Block (the guy who runs firearmstraining.com), and he's a decent instructor.  Good on range safety, too.

Here are a couple of others:

T.J. Johnson is a great 2nd amendment activist and instructor based in orange county, but he also uses Burro Canyon for most of his classes.  His web site is here:
http://www.allsafedefense.com

Finally, Scott Reitz runs an incredibly high-quality series of classes out of Angeles Shooting Ranges in Lakeview Terrace.  At this point I spend most of my training dollars with him.  Very high quality, fanatic about safety, and offers graduated difficulty classes.

http://www.intltactical.com/

And for what it's worth, as several other posters seem to suggest, I like a 12 guage pump-action shotgun (with a light) as the primary, and a .45 caliber double-stack (with night sights and light) as my secondary.  I like the Glock 21, others may prefer Sig, H+K, or 1911A1.  Some people of the female persuasion of my acquaintance have found that they prefer .223 as a primary (since we're in California that would be a mini-14 ranch rifle -- with a red-dot sight and white light on the foreend), and a tasteful semi-auto in 9mm -- S&W Ladysmith or Glock 17 seem to be popular.  Also with night sights -- the Glock allows the easy attachment of a light without modification.

As always, YMMV.
28 posted on 01/12/2005 5:28:43 PM PST by absalom01
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To: absalom01

Since we are talking guns, I like a Titanium .38 with Crimson Trace laser grips- its super light, small enough to conceal in many places, has good power with HP rounds, and all in all makes a great self-defense tool. Shotguns are grand, but not so good outside of the home, and even at home, not easy to keep near the bed ready to go- my ti 38 is inches from my hand at night-- For ultra small, you can do a .22 magnum revolver- its tiny, but it can still save your life- and it makes a pretty loud bang too...


29 posted on 01/12/2005 5:54:31 PM PST by Phatnbald (Out of my cold dead hands)
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To: NorCalRepub; bboop

I don't know who's talking to you, bboop...but yes you can legally own a shotgun in CA!

Sheesh!


30 posted on 01/12/2005 7:27:55 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Proud Patriots dot ORG!!! Operation Valentine's Day!!)
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To: Brad's Gramma

well I had responded earlier about no problem owning firearms in calif with some exceptions and this bboop person wrote me back about LA and not being able to own any.....well I hate to be obnoxious so I just said no problem in Nor Cal but I knew that owning legal firearms was no problem........I think that bboop must have been thinking about a CCW


31 posted on 01/12/2005 8:06:22 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: NorCalRepub
I'm sorry. I REALLY should've worded that diffently. I saw that you were defending our admittedly stupid gun laws and I was agreeing with YOU.
32 posted on 01/12/2005 8:08:23 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Proud Patriots dot ORG!!! Operation Valentine's Day!!)
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To: Phatnbald

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33 posted on 01/12/2005 8:16:46 PM PST by absalom01
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To: NorCalRepub

Bboop reporting in. My husband, too, said I had misled you. I am sorry. I was at a gun class and the teacher said, "It is very difficult to get a CCW in LA County; Orange County and Riverside Counties are a different matter." I agree with the poster who said, "Don't get your information from internet posts."


34 posted on 01/13/2005 9:22:11 AM PST by bboop
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To: pogo101
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0936279001/qid=1105640728/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-0709450-4766255?v=glance&s=books
35 posted on 01/13/2005 10:27:52 AM PST by razorbak
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To: pogo101

In the Gravest Extreme Role of the Firearm
by Massad F. Ayoob


Amazon.com -- learn how customers can search inside this book. List Price: $12.95

Massad Ayoob grew up with weapons. His father was a jeweler who was maimed by an armed criminal--whom he killed, and whose accomplice he crippled.


Massad claims he began to use firearms at age four, and won his first of several hundred pistol awards as a teenager. He was captain of a first string pistol team at the age of twenty-two. Then he became a policeman in 1972.


In his career, he has become recognized internationally as one of the world's leading authorities on police weaponry, and regularly serves as a consultant and courtroom expert on firearms and shootings.


He has been the handgun editor of "Guns" magazine, and is a regular contributor to several other leading journals.


In this book, Ayoob advises the reader on the legal implications of firearms use in self-defense, and the whole subject of keeping, storing, carrying and using firearms.


He talks about basic gunfighting techniques, the calibers best suited for personal protection and how to choose a weapon, "common sense" as it relates to firearms use, and the deterrent effect of defense handguns.


This is a very good book, and it comes highly recommended by most knowledgeable shooters.


Now, if you are a beginner, about to buy your first handgun, or a police cadet or a new correctional officer in training, and are seeking a book which will help you to pick out a firearm, or to safely use the one you have, let me recommend a better one: "George Tooley's Beginner's Book on How to Handle Firearms Safely," also available on Amazon.com.


This is a very good book. Buy it, too. But the late George Tooley's book is even better, although less well known. He had 45 years in corrections and law-enforcement, most of it teaching firearms use.


Joseph Pierre,
Author of THE ROAD TO DAMASCUS: Our Journey Through Eternity


36 posted on 01/13/2005 10:34:03 AM PST by razorbak
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To: bboop

lol.......good for you.......I think I knew that you were talking about CCW and not owning firearms per se......have a good day


37 posted on 01/13/2005 12:35:58 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: NorCalRepub

Thanks. It's the least I can do. And WHY do I think I know so much about gun laws?? Beats me.


38 posted on 01/13/2005 8:08:24 PM PST by bboop
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