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Man who shot home intruder indicted for second-degree murder
Boston Globe ^ | 1/04/05 | AP

Posted on 01/04/2005 2:29:19 AM PST by kattracks

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To: cbkaty
Anyone actually utilizing this "defense" better have a fat bank account....cause it's just a defense and an attorney will have to get you out of trouble...

If you are found innocent after having paid all that money for an attorney, does the state reimburse your attorney bills?

141 posted on 01/04/2005 9:42:55 AM PST by BJungNan (Did you call your congressmen to tell them to stop funding the ACLU? 202 224 3121)
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To: BJungNan

Nope.


142 posted on 01/04/2005 9:45:08 AM PST by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: Javelina
Perhaps a court interpretation limiting them or something.

The court interpretations have been very lenient in no-billing victims for incidents committed at night.

143 posted on 01/04/2005 9:47:48 AM PST by houeto
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To: HMFIC
My point is, that if someone is walking out of your house carrying your TV...

No one is going to walk out of my house carrying a TV while I just sit and watch. What kind of obsurd example is this. Maybe I am missing something here but these seems like a real exception to the times someone might have to use force to stop a robbery.

We should be focusing on the other 99% of situations where someone entering your property is perceived as a threat and how you deal with that. Sorry, if I have missed the point here.

144 posted on 01/04/2005 9:48:02 AM PST by BJungNan (Did you call your congressmen to tell them to stop funding the ACLU? 202 224 3121)
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To: Ichneumon; expatpat

I have a small stone engraved with the words:

Prepare the Child for the Path, not the Path for the Child.


145 posted on 01/04/2005 9:49:18 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: chris1
Nope.

That is wrong! If the state brings false charges, charges that are not proved, you should get your money back and be made whole.

So the alternative is to not get an attorney if you will end up broke after being found innocent, correct?

146 posted on 01/04/2005 9:49:44 AM PST by BJungNan (Did you call your congressmen to tell them to stop funding the ACLU? 202 224 3121)
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To: Rytwyng; ccmay

Thank you. I continue to learn.


147 posted on 01/04/2005 9:49:50 AM PST by 1john2 3and4
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To: DannyTN
You have the right to defend property rights, and in many states to use necessary force including deadly force to bring someone to justice who has violated those property rights.

But you don't have the right to take a life just because that person violated your property rights.

Sorry fellow but these two statements, back-to-back, just don't jive.

148 posted on 01/04/2005 9:53:23 AM PST by houeto
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To: HMFIC

Your rules are localized only...they don't apply to every states laws. Albeit I won't shoot some SOB over hubcaps after dark here in Texas I can legally.....


149 posted on 01/04/2005 9:54:28 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: kattracks

If you shoot them, don’t move them. The crime scene investigators will put you away.

A guy tried to break into our garden apartment one night in Denver while I was away. My wife yelled, “I have a gun and will shoot” and then called 911. The police arrived and arrested the drunken man who had broken his leg falling on the ice while running away. My wife asked the cop if she had done the right thing. He said, “If he came in, shoot him and keep shooting him until the magazine is empty. Then throw the empty gun at him. That will prove you were in fear of your life. If you shoot him once between the eyes, I will have to take you in.”


150 posted on 01/04/2005 9:56:06 AM PST by ORECON (Condi Rice/Ann Coulter 2008)
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To: BJungNan

You obviously have no clue how the justice system works for you to make a statement like that. Did OJ get his legal fees paid back to him by California.

Furthermore, just because the DA brings charges against you, and you are lated aquitted, does not mean the charges were false. It means that he did not prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt.

Malicious prosecution is hard to charge and very very costly.


151 posted on 01/04/2005 9:58:26 AM PST by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: ORECON

What a sin. Your wife would get penalized for being a good shot!


152 posted on 01/04/2005 10:00:03 AM PST by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: cbkaty
Sadly...many of these vermin have resorted to robbing little old ladies in their driveways....

Those little old ladies need to take a lesson from this L.O.L.:

72 year old woman defends herself with gun

Excerpt:

Zamarripa told jurors she grabbed her loaded revolver from under her bed and braced her elbow on the counter to steady her trembling hand.

Barefoot and in her nightgown, she waited with the gun aimed where she thought the intruder would enter.

Outside, she heard him prop open her storm door.

Then he ran up to and broke through the locked door, ripping the deadbolt holder out of the doorjamb.

The intruder's momentum knocked him to the ground, but Zamarripa never adjusted her aim. When he stood up, Zamarripa wounded him with three out of four shots from about eight feet away before he scrambled out the door.

"I knew if I didn't shoot him, he would have raped me," she said.


153 posted on 01/04/2005 10:05:43 AM PST by TChris (Most people's capability for inference is severely overestimated)
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To: HMFIC
DEATH, INJURY, or SERIOUS BODILY HARM that is IMMINENT or ABOUT TO HAPPEN!

What about if it has already happeened?

What if the perp had just raped and killed your 9 year old daughter, and you shoot him in the back as he's fleeing down your street, perhaps never to be found by the police?

154 posted on 01/04/2005 10:05:43 AM PST by Age of Reason
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To: HMFIC

When I said "never to be found by the police" I mean that if you don't shoot him, he may get away and never be found by the police.


155 posted on 01/04/2005 10:07:25 AM PST by Age of Reason
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To: cb
I recall a 4-5 year old episode of "Cops" filmed in Texas in which an elderly woman, after calling 9-1-1, had fired a few rounds from her revolver from her porch towards her detached garage at what she believed were prowlers. The responding officers checked the premises and found nothing. They then proceeded to remind her to be careful when firing into the dark at hard to see targets and then commenced to, and get this, reload her weapon where upon they returned it to her before leaving. I thought to myself this would never happen here in CA. I would have been cuffed and stuffed and would have never seen my handgun again. I like Texas!
156 posted on 01/04/2005 10:09:39 AM PST by seedman81 (Better to die in Christ and gain life than to live my way and lose in the end)
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To: chris1
You obviously have no clue how the justice system works for you to make a statement like that. Did OJ get his legal fees paid back to him by California.

If you think it is okay for a person found to be innocent to be financially wiped out afterwards, then even if you understand how the legal system works, you are wrong.

Furthermore, just because the DA brings charges against you, and you are lated aquitted...

It is the same as being found innocent in the eyes of the law, isn't it?

Malicious prosecution is hard to charge and very very costly.

I'm not talking about malicious prosecution. That should have nothing to do with it. If you are found innocent and have incurred big legal bills to defend yourself, the state should pay you the cost of your attorney fees. The same as it is in civil matters under the English rule. Why should you be so damaged by the state's mistake?

157 posted on 01/04/2005 10:11:17 AM PST by BJungNan (Did you call your congressmen to tell them to stop funding the ACLU? 202 224 3121)
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To: BJungNan; HMFIC
No one is going to walk out of my house carrying a TV while I just sit and watch. What kind of obsurd example is this.

That's nothing.

It gets even worse than that.

Some states have an obligation to retreat law.

This means if a perp breaks down your front door and then comes after you in your own house, you are not allowed to shoot unless you cannot run out the back door or jump through a window to escape.

158 posted on 01/04/2005 10:13:04 AM PST by Age of Reason
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To: BJungNan
If you think it is okay for a person found to be innocent to be financially wiped out afterwards, then even if you understand how the legal system works, you are wrong.

You are not found "innocent" in our legal system, you're found "not guilty." There's a difference.

If you are found innocent and have incurred big legal bills to defend yourself, the state should pay you the cost of your attorney fees

The state will provide you a defense attorney for free, if you do not want to pay for one. However, if you go out and spend $1 million on your defense (like OJ), why should the rest of us pay for your defense?

159 posted on 01/04/2005 10:36:18 AM PST by Modernman (What is moral is what you feel good after. - Ernest Hemingway)
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To: BJungNan

Sorry to inform you, as an attorney myself, your thinking, although in line of what I personally believe, it not how the system works.

Of course innocent people should not be wiped out financially.

Would you agree however, that the taxpayers should have paid for OJ's lawyers? How about is Scott Peterson were aquitted?

The bottom line is that the state does not pay for your lawyer if you can afford one yourself. Additionally, there are many cases that are not clear cut instances of abuse on the part of the DA.


160 posted on 01/04/2005 10:42:27 AM PST by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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