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Mars: the only goal for humanity
The Space Review ^ | 12/13/04 | Donald Barker

Posted on 12/13/2004 7:35:19 PM PST by KevinDavis

Humanity, and the ever-shrinking Earth, needs a resolute, rigorous, and inspirational goal that will bind consciousness, ideals, and nations by putting humanity on a positive path for the future. Placing humans on the surface of Mars is the only goal that humans are able to initiate that is intrinsically visionary and motivating, and the only feat and event that can instill such global inspiration. With the continued exceptional success of last two Earthly emissaries, the Mars Exploration Rovers, and the prospect of a fresh exploration initiative growing inside NASA, Mars is once again in the limelight. These efforts follow on the heels of several successful programs including Mariner, Viking, Pathfinder, and the Mars Global Surveyor and Mars Odyssey platforms that are themselves still operating in orbit around the planet.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: mars; space
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To: Torie

You haven't been to Mojave lately have you?

Subdivisions and shopping malls to the horizon!

Some clear space to the North, but from about Willow Springs to L.A. it is all paved over.


21 posted on 12/13/2004 8:04:11 PM PST by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: Brett66

That should be the ultimate goal..


22 posted on 12/13/2004 8:05:57 PM PST by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: Richard-SIA; jwalsh07
I have driven 395 north to Mammoth Lakes many times. There is still lots more room. I wish I could post the pic I took though of the RV people with their off road vehicles spanned out over the desert near the Salton Sea that I took the day after Thanksgiving (I will later at an appropriately pregnant point, on some thread). It reminded me of the Blade Runner movie - a bit of an advance vision of hell in my mind's eye. My environmentalist birder brother (he leads bird watching tours for a living, and is on the more famous birders and authors on this planet) pointed out to me, that per his reading, 80% of them were Bush voters. I pointed out to him that team Bush had a rather large tent, which was why his guy lost, and he needed to deal with that.

And so it goes. :)

23 posted on 12/13/2004 8:11:48 PM PST by Torie
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To: KevinDavis
One day there will be schools and shops and homes and sports stadiums on Mars. The only question is who's flag will be flying over head.
24 posted on 12/13/2004 8:12:28 PM PST by BigCinBigD
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To: BigCinBigD; All

Two choices ours or the Soverign Government of Mars.


25 posted on 12/13/2004 8:15:13 PM PST by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: KevinDavis

This is space stuff is going to accellerate much faster then anticpated. We are on the verge of new break throughs in proplusion technology. In 30 years we should be able to get to Mars in two weeks. Just guessing and of course dependent on breakthroughs.

John


26 posted on 12/13/2004 8:15:48 PM PST by jrfaug06
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To: BigCinBigD


if the libs get there there will be no flags.. too identifying.


27 posted on 12/13/2004 8:16:45 PM PST by phxaz (thank you for not using the word "implode".)
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To: jrfaug06
In 30 years we should be able to get to Mars in two weeks.

LOL.

28 posted on 12/13/2004 8:19:01 PM PST by Torie
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To: cripplecreek
In the immortal words of the Sundance Kid, "What could they have there that you would possibly want to buy?"

Ha! Bolivia!

29 posted on 12/13/2004 8:19:06 PM PST by stboz
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To: jrfaug06

It seems that we are on a verge of something big.. Don't know what but my gut feeling is the something big is about happen...


30 posted on 12/13/2004 8:19:35 PM PST by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: RightWhale

"But nothing will happen outside of Tourism without property rights."

When I think of the immense scale of even interplanetary space and the asteroid belt, I can't imagine property laws making much difference. If space travel ever becomes cheaply available, piracy will be rampant.


31 posted on 12/13/2004 8:25:18 PM PST by UnChained
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To: KevinDavis

The ultimate is an gravity proplusion set up. With that we could get to Mars in a day or two.

I told my 13 year old that she can go to the moon for fun one day. She may be 75 years old but one day she will.

John


32 posted on 12/13/2004 8:35:46 PM PST by jrfaug06
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To: Torie

LOL


33 posted on 12/13/2004 8:36:59 PM PST by jrfaug06
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To: KevinDavis

Waste of my money.


34 posted on 12/13/2004 8:42:03 PM PST by followerofchrist
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To: KevinDavis
and the ever-shrinking Earth

Is there a basis for this phrase?

The only ones who find it shrinking are the ones who can't impose their will on the majority.Sounds like a blue stater wish to go dominate somewhere else.

Let's occupy and survive on the moon for a generation first.Closer, cheaper and more useful to Earth,

35 posted on 12/13/2004 9:11:23 PM PST by leadhead
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To: Kornev

Remember that according to the Koran, the earth is flat (or so the Prophet says!), so they don't believe we landed on the moon. THis is completely unlike medieval Europe's belief in the flat earth theory -- that was NOT driven by the Bible


36 posted on 12/14/2004 1:22:54 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: KevinDavis; BigCinBigD

Hate to say this -- but you can't predict which countries will be around. By the time we get to Mars it may well be 2200 -- and 200 years ago there were countries like Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Empire, etc while many countries did not exist and the US was just about the east coast. A lot can change in 200 years! I would pray that we're the top ddog and I'd guess we would still be, but it's too far away to predict


37 posted on 12/14/2004 1:25:25 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: Cronos
Indeed many things can change in 200 years. But I don't think it will take nearly that long for mankind to establish a "presence" on Mars. Full scale cities yes. But a base is possible in our life time. I believe it is vitally important.

As to who's flag one day flys on Mars. Keep in mind that the babies born in those far away Mars hospitals and going to school in the shadow of Olympus Mons. Will be Martians not "Earthers".
I only hope when they open some future history book there's a picture of George Washington and George Bush. And not Lenin and Michael Moore.
38 posted on 12/14/2004 1:57:24 AM PST by BigCinBigD
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To: KevinDavis

(Adjusting tin foil hat)...Until we learn how swamp gas and geese flocks can apparently manipulate gravitational forces or other EM phenomena to achieve speeds of 10,000 mph - and make right angle turns at those velocities - we won't be able to negotiate interstellar distances in any way useful to this or the next hundred generations of our human species.

We must poke around for the interstellar worm holes to cheat like Rosie Ruiz, and take the galactic subway to avoid the endless marathon offered up through conventional action-reaction propulsion.

Once there, we may meet hyper-intelligent swamp gas and geese species, who may have been traveling to our planet without fanfare for countless millenia.

However, all this is highly unlikely - since as the late-great Carl Sagan noted in paraphrased form - "If alien species had ever visited the Earth, they would obviously have landed on the White House lawn to say 'Howdy'. And if they have not been able to manage interstellar travel - then we obviously can't get there either. Ipso facto - we are for all practical purposes, alone in this universe."

So the whole thing is moot anyway. (Tossing away tin foil hat).


39 posted on 12/14/2004 2:21:42 AM PST by guitfiddlist (When the 'Rats break out switchblades, it's no time to invoke Robert's Rules.)
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To: KevinDavis

I think that Londo Mollari and Vir Kotto, along with the several billion centaurans(centauri), might have an issue with earthers taking over what they consider "their" planets.

Bab5 was FUN, wasn't it?


40 posted on 12/14/2004 2:29:19 AM PST by Don W (Some lives are taken, while others are freely given)
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