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To: AMDG&BVMH
"They are held responsible for sins of past generations -- a type of collective and racial guilt that no other group would be held to...

Tell that to race whores such as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and a lot of others.

I lived in a small village in Germany for a few years some time ago. Most of my neighbors were decent, and they treated me and my family quite well.

Still, from my perspective, the German people are by and large in denial concerning many of the events of WW2 including but not limited to the Holocaust.

You can suggest else is the case, but I saw enough to convince me that most Germans do not acknowledge the sins of a mere half century before (I left Germany in 1980.)

Slavery was ended by the West, and in the USA more than 100 years ago. I have never knowingly met a slave owner. I have met many former Nazis. There was little remorse ever displayed before me concerning atrocities committed and supported by their countrymen.

294 posted on 12/08/2004 2:41:13 PM PST by Radix (This Tag Line is completely self referential, except for the part where you are mentioned.)
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To: Radix

"Slavery was ended by the West, and in the USA more than 100 years ago. I have never knowingly met a slave owner. I have met many former Nazis. There was little remorse ever displayed before me concerning atrocities committed and supported by their countrymen."

Hmmm . . . a lot of ground to cover here.

One of the reasons that slavery was ended by the West, is that the German immigrants to America were appalled by it, and put their blood behind that conviction. Germantown, PA was a site of early abolitionist resistance. The German immigrants in Missouri are THE reason that Missouri did not go as a slave state. Of the 7 regiments from Cincinnati in the Civil War on the side of the North, 3 were German-speaking, with German-speaking officers. Etc. Or as they would say in German, u.s.w. (and so on). The German sentiment for human rights and fair play were well expressed in this country.

In Europe, German states led the way in the freedom of the serfs. Prussia was the first to offer a social security system. Now, Bismark has his faults; I won't justify all his policies . . . But there has indeed been a human rights record that was admirable and imitated in the rest of Europe.

Your personal experience in Germany cannot be denied, as it was your experience. My 5 years in Germany also have to be counted as valid, and I never heard a word in favor of Hitler or Nazis or anti-Semitism. I was in German homes, I never saw Nazi memorabilia. I worked with dozens of German citizens, native and naturalized. Including Turkish Gast-arbeitern. I never heard a word uttered in favor of Nazism. I went to churches. I visited schools. I visited towns from Hamburg to Garmish-Partenkirchen. From Koeln to Nuermberg. I experienced only friendly, loving people, -- which surprised me, to tell the truth! I did not expect the fun-loving, out-going expressions that I actually experienced.

In fact, the only negative experience I ever had, was years later when I took my daughter over to see the Christmas Markts, which I had experienced during my tour there. Being a kid, she threw up at an Autobahn rest stop. We were embarrassed, of course. The Pflegerin brought me a bucket to clean it up! This stuck in my mind, because it was so much in contrast to the treatment I had otherwise experienced from Germans . . .


296 posted on 12/08/2004 4:27:55 PM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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