BREAKING: Powell: U.S. 'Cannot Accept Result' of Ukraine Election

Fox News ^ | November 24, 2004

[West Coast Conservative]

Powell: U.S. 'Cannot Accept Result' of Ukraine Election

[txhurl]

What this means is the Cold War is back on.

Dammit.

[MarMema]

Nope.

[notigar]

Read up

[California Patriot]

No, obviously not. I'm talking about freedom and self-government. In your hate-filled rants against the West, don't forget its redeeming features.

[frontdeboeuf]

I will just say one thing...

It is the same people cursing Putin today
that where cursing Bush just yesterday...REMEMBER!!!

I would think that I am reading a goddam
lefty forum here!!!That the Canadian government
and all the Eurabians want to take over Ukraine
would just want you on the other side!!!
This is a huge propaganda coup by Chirac and company...

It is in Europe that there is no free press,
you guys have already forgot their barrage
on the war in Irak , our election and even that Côte d'Ivoire massacre, totally denied in Eurostan, that we all have seen with our own eyes!!!

That 'chenko bum have said BEFORE THE ELECTION that
they would not accept the results and called for a coup!!!

But it seem that even Bushies have now surrendered
to those that called them idiots just a couple weeks ago.

Oh! yes...that must be that religion of love and
peace....naturally behind all moves of Eurabia,
or Eurosthan, if you will...

[California Patriot]

Uh, that's a lot more than "just one thing."

Can you count?

[joesnuffy]

Amen....

[bayourod]

Is it true that Soros supports Yushchenko?

[7mmMag@LeftCoast]

Book Mark

[Destro]

I consider the EU types that contest this election the true barbarians. They are dispoliers cloaked in the fakery that is the Euro-West.

[DoughtyOne]

I'll tell you what. If the Ukranians can change things, more power to them. It will be their necks on the line, not the neck of a proven incompetent at state. A guy who can't figure out that the Palestinians are intransegent and the Israelis willing to deal for peace, is the one I'm talking about here.

I have not studied the players in this situation. I do not know if the person the Russians oppose, is problematic. If he is sympathetic to the Moslem cause in Chechnya, I can see why the Russians don't want him.

Like I said. I don't know that. And I don't know that those exit polls were on the up and up either.

Thanks for voicing your thoughts on this. Take care.

[Commie Basher]

jimbol23: The Cold War is back. I hope you're on America's side.

Nevertheless, FL-engineer makes a valid and rational observation that people in formerly Eastern bloc nations are unlikely to reply honestly to political opinion polls, including exit polls. And I speak as someone who traveled behind the Iron Curtain (and had relatives there) while it was still up.

[A. Pole]

Nevertheless, FL-engineer makes a valid and rational observation that people in formerly Eastern bloc nations are unlikely to reply honestly to political opinion polls, including exit polls.

I did not think about this before, but it is true! I myself do NOT always answer polls "honestly" :) That is why the actual election choice is secret (not only in the Eastern Europe)

[Atlantic Friend]

Ukrainian territory is home to a vast array of gazoducts and pipelines, so these resources can go from the Caucasus to Western European ports, and from that, to the ports of Russian customers - of which, IIRC, the USA is and will continue to be a member.

[Agrarian]

We see this phenomenon with polls in the US all the time, especially with social issues: polls consistently show more support for things like gay marriage than is evident from actual voting. People are often hesitant to give the non-politically correct answer to a questioner, even in an anonymous poll.

And we all know how accurate exit polls are after our own US election. Some pundits were fretting about this after the tally here, musing about whether they should really be using exit polls to make declarations on the validity of elections that are observed overseas.

[AdmSmith]

If it was a joke I would laugh, unfortunately Moscow thrives on distorted description of the world:

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/11/25/markov.shtml

Russian Political Scientist Blames Polish Conspiracy for Ukraine Election Crisis

Renowned Russian political scientist Sergei Markov told reporters in Moscow on Thursday that the ongoing political crisis in Ukraine was in fact a Polish conspiracy with the aim of imposing Polish patronage over Ukraine and thus raising Polish influence within the European Union.

"Yushchenko's electoral campaign has been developed within the Polish diaspora abroad and its ideological basis was prepared by former U.S. national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski and his two sons," the Newsru.com web-site quoted Markov as saying.

Markov said that another ethnic Pole, Andrian Karatnitsky, the head of the U.S. foundation Freedom House, had hired Serbian spin doctors and brought them to Ukraine ahead of the presidential elections. (Another Russian political scientist, Gleb Pavlovsky, said in a Wednesday evening news broadcast on Russia's RTR television channel that Yushchenko's campaign had been prepared by the same specialists who prepared similar campaigns in Serbia and Georgia).

"The arrival of Lech Walesa and Aleksander Kwasniewski as intermediaries in the Ukraine negotiations would become a part of the Tbilisi-Belgrade scenario, as the objective of these intermediaries is not peace, but a passing of power to Yushchenko," Markov said.

He added that the original plan is for Poland to impose its patronage over Ukraine. Polish politicians are seeking more influence within the European Union, currently dominated by France and Germany, and to achieve this, they want to become patrons of the whole of Central and Eastern Europe, the Russian analyst said.

Markov said the United States would benefit from a Yushchenko victory as it would weaken Germany and France on the world arena and also split Ukraine and Russia. He also added that "the majority of the representatives of the Polish diaspora in the United States hate George Bush and want to cause a quarrel between him and Russian President Vladimir Putin".

Markov also said that the main drawback of the plan was that its implementation was possible only on condition of extreme secrecy. He reminded the press that due to historical reasons the Ukrainians are very suspicious of the Poles and such a plan would find widespread disapproval among the majority of Ukrainians.

[Lukasz]

ROTFL I hope that this article it is signal of desperation of the Kacap’s! haha!

Thanks for this link!

[Atlantic Friend]

Let's see. Given a straight route from Moscow to the Atlantic, and a strong Belarus/Russia alliance, I'd say :

- The Ukrainian Army
- The Polish Army
- The Bundeswehr
- The Benelux Armies
- The French Army.

I could throw in the Swiss Army, the Austrian Army, the Danish Army, and, depending on which part of the Atlantic coast the Russian Army would like to set foot in :

- The Spanish Army
- The Portuguese Army
- The British Army
- The Irish Army

Data is available in the CIA's world fact book, on their website.

[Atlantic Friend]

"Klinton, with the UN, France and Germany, stopped Putin from bombing the Taliban in 2000"

Do you have a source to back this up ?

[Atlantic Friend]

"france has armed more terrorist tbat have killed more Americans and they hae stolen more money and particpated in the training of more genecides than even Russia"

Document this claim, please, with some sources and links.