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China Rapidly Modernizes for War With U.S.
Newsmax ^ | August 2004 | Alexandr Nemets

Posted on 11/21/2004 11:45:29 AM PST by TapTheSource

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To: Stratman
Sounds like you trust the Chinese more than I do. They are

already in key places in South America and have become a

major presence in Panama and the day could come with a large

enough military presence behind them that they could simply

win a defacto war without firing a shot in many areas of the

world. What would we do?
41 posted on 11/21/2004 12:22:45 PM PST by rodguy911 ( President Reagan---all the rest.)
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To: Enterprise
Thank God that we just elected a President that Will Be Hard Line against the Chinese Communists.
42 posted on 11/21/2004 12:22:52 PM PST by pete anderson
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To: rodguy911
"They are already in key places in South America and have become a major presence in Panama"

They're just a hop, skip, and a jump from San Diego.

43 posted on 11/21/2004 12:26:17 PM PST by Enterprise (The left hates the Constitution. Islamic Fascism hates America. Natural allies.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
"There are early indications that the Chinese are starting to penetrate the Western Hemisphere-a recent article describing a 100 billion investment in Latin America."

Don't forget they just sent a "police force" into Haiti. Doesn't take much imagination to figure out who they were sent there to protect (read: Communist lavalas). Red China is buying it's way into South and Central America. This of course means they will establish organic ties with Latin American Communists/Terrorists, and will fan the flames of anti-Americansim, revolution and violence on our southern flank. Very bad news, very bad news indeed.
44 posted on 11/21/2004 12:26:27 PM PST by TapTheSource
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To: AntiGuv
I don't mean to be a Pollyana, but I'm seriously curious to hear what kind of realistic military threat China poses to America.

The Chinese have had the capability since the early 1980s of putting several fairly massive thermonuclear weapons into cities in the Western US on an ICBM.

However, that would bring massive retaliation that would end the PRC as a functioning society. So that's not going to happen, any more than we had a nuclear war with the Soviets during the Cold War.

Other than that, the answer really is "not much." Unless it's a Tom Clancy scenario where we aid the Russians agains the Chinese in Siberia, we're not going to be fighting a land war against them anywhere.

Despite the frantic hype the PRC Navy and Air Force simply aren't that great.

No ship is absolutely invulnerable, and yes, a Carrier is sinkable, but we've got plenty of those. And destroying one would likely end up with the PRC losing all of their naval and air power-projecting capability in the process.

The PRC is likely to be completely helpless at ASW warfare, and, thus, incapable of projecting power anywhere overseas.

45 posted on 11/21/2004 12:26:52 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

The question is WHETHER they can seize Taiwan, and the answer is an obvious "no."




at this moment, you would be right, but do you think we could stop them if they tried anyway?


46 posted on 11/21/2004 12:28:41 PM PST by William of Orange
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To: Scothia
"So I assume that you're ready to recommend an alternative"

You assume wrong. There are no easy, glib answers to the mess we're in. Full scale awareness of the problem has to be acheived, and we're no where near that yet. Most people think Wal-Mart is great for America; there's no national outcry demanding alternatives, yet.

47 posted on 11/21/2004 12:29:13 PM PST by proust
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To: TapTheSource
"Secretary Powell has certainly been pushing hard for Taiwan to go the way of Hong-Kong."

It will be highly illuminating to see which way Secretary RICE pushes!

48 posted on 11/21/2004 12:31:45 PM PST by Enterprise (The left hates the Constitution. Islamic Fascism hates America. Natural allies.)
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To: TapTheSource
Interesting, but really just more unnecessary hand wringing.

China is doing what any other country would do under the same circumstances.

One would hope that they evolve in their tendencies to run interference against the U.S. for the sake of nationalism, but it is likely that they will not. They will continue to a pain when they can.

As to threats to U.S.security, I believe that is what our nuclear deterrent is for. China is more of a threat to financial security than anything else at this time.

Taiwan is not the trip wire that it once was. I do not see any international support for any confrontation, nor do I see much national support either.

It looks to me like unification is the goal and not just talk anymore. It will be years before that is remotely possible however.

Status quo for now.

49 posted on 11/21/2004 12:33:19 PM PST by Cold Heat (There is more to do! "Mr. Kerry, about that Navy discharge?")
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To: William of Orange
at this moment, you would be right, but do you think we could stop them if they tried anyway?

The Taiwanese could stop them by themselves pretty well, without us lifting a finger, IMHO.

50 posted on 11/21/2004 12:33:21 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: TapTheSource
Your Statement:"...revolution and violence on our southern flank....."

Response: Hell it will be here. It takes only about 5% of a population to foment severe internal disorder. Five 5% of 40 million Hispanic invaders equals about two million. Lenin overthrew Tsarist Russia with about 250,000. Does not look good.

51 posted on 11/21/2004 12:35:10 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (Further, the statement assumed)
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To: TapTheSource

You mean, the CHINA/EURASIAN/RUSSIAN Alliance.


52 posted on 11/21/2004 12:35:33 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: TapTheSource

The Japanese killed 30 million Chinese some 50 + years ago during the expansion of Japans 'Far East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere'. Chinese have a long history and a long memory. Perhaps we're now seeing China's 'Far East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere' taking shape. I hope they don't bomb Pearl Harbor before we figure out this bit of history repeating it's self in the Pacific. Korea has no love for Japan either. Maybe a new 'NATO' type alliance...Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Thailand, Vietnam, Japan, Taiwan, Australia, New Zealand or si there something in place that could be reasserted or expanded? SEATO?


53 posted on 11/21/2004 12:36:32 PM PST by crabpott (Please send guns, money and lawyers and the rest of my Buffett CD's....)
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To: Stratman

Yep self-promotion by Chinese wannabees and their supporters. Just the typical totalitarian - Chinese talking point/negotiating strategy.

China is a basket case politically and economically: floaating yuan sinks to the bottom of the tank, it's crap


54 posted on 11/21/2004 12:36:55 PM PST by stefanbc (Have a nice left-wing suicide : hate to be ya)
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To: TapTheSource

You know - other nations have not spent time thinking - when their space has been violated - they have acted. I think perhaps Japan should take the same approach - When you are in the right - you're in the right -

I found it odd - that once China was not held to human rights violations - all the voices speaking out on the other actions by China(South China Sea) fell silent. Money buys a lot these days - but might the final price be paid by the U.S. - for prior actions - and failure to act on current matters - in a firm way - It never hurts to stand the ground for freedom -

Not to harp on the years belonging to Clinton (grin) but I do hope we have "changed" everything that was known to be - Considering what was given away in "public" by him and his foul people - one can only imagine what else was supplied to China, Russia, etc. - And considering McCain and others are pro China - it might not hurt to keep them far away from President Bush - especially since McCain is also in love with all the illegals and might be behind the soft approach being taken -

I also hope we have changed "all" people around our tech. - or at least put the controls back on - the ones that became nothing under that last admin. Beware of anyone having anything to do with those still calling themselves democrats - at the very least -

just my thoughts -


55 posted on 11/21/2004 12:37:33 PM PST by Pastnowfuturealpha
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To: stefanbc

Well, I've stated repeatedly that China will collapse in a violent Civil War/episode of Warlordism long before they're an actual military superpower.

We'll find out over the next 40 years.


56 posted on 11/21/2004 12:38:12 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Cold Heat

Speaking of interesting, you might also want to check out post #13. I am not worried about Red China alone, I am much more worried about the growing Eurasian Alliance which includes Red China, Russia, the EU, and a number of Middle Eastern countries to include Iran. Red China's entrance into Latin America isn't comforting either.


57 posted on 11/21/2004 12:38:33 PM PST by TapTheSource
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To: William of Orange

Right now, they don't even have the capability to get an invasion force across the Taiwan Strait. The most they could really do is trade bombs..


58 posted on 11/21/2004 12:38:58 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: TapTheSource
I see the Chinese expansion threat as ready to move in

anywhere there is weakness. These are people who respond to

a strength/weakness format. Look tough, sound tough, and

act the part and they will back off unless they are sure

they can take you. I think their game plan is to be strong

enough to take a place without firing a shot, with just

threats. Who knows it might work. Who will stand in their way?
59 posted on 11/21/2004 12:39:00 PM PST by rodguy911 ( President Reagan---all the rest.)
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To: All

I don't think Taiwan is worth a drop of American blood. As far as I am concerned they (the Chinese) can have it.


60 posted on 11/21/2004 12:39:12 PM PST by rpage3
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