Posted on 11/21/2004 11:45:29 AM PST by TapTheSource
Maybe you're a first class loon who smokes too much crack before posting non sequiturs, just prior to signing up for elective surgery of a cephalorectomy. I have reviewed some of your posts and many of them are borderline asinine.
There are significant cultural differences that would be strikingly obvious.
***On the BATTLEFIELD? Exactly how would it be strikingly obvious.
Kevin: None of these rabbit trails address the issue that once Americans see their aircraft carriers on the downside of sinking/burning/radiating or whatever, they will lose stomach for the fight.
Poohbah: Maybe you're a "don't-ask-don't-tell" liberal pansy. But you are a minority.
***How do you get from someone pointing out something about Americans to your personal attack comment? You yourself have done something in a similar thread when you posted, "I've asked these folks, point-blank, if Mr. and Mrs. America will still support their policies after CNN shows the results during the breakfast hour." At least have the courtesy of understanding the thread before posting.
"On a side note. If North Korea (a nation possessing nuclear weapons by its own admission) should launch some "test" missle into the Western Hemisphere... I would detonate on Pyong Yang before it got wherever it was going..."
I'd wait for it to hit first. That way if it was a nuke, a formal declaration of war could be made followed by carpet bombing with neutron weapons until there is not a single living thing within NK borders. I call it the YAD policy. Your Assured Destruction. Then you walk in after the radiation disperses, lower all the NK flags (putting up US flags into their place), and bury all the corpses in mass graves. Then contact Century 21.
I don't think India would do this (recognize Taiwan), as this could jeopardize it's negotiations with China over its disputed territories with China. Something really drastic has to happen in its relations with China, for India to take such a step.
I think America selling Aegis equipped ships will still have to deal with the same problem-time.It would take atleast 4 years to build & close to an year for Taiwan to train crews to operate the ship,given that they haven't operated anything as sophisticated or large as Arleigh Burke class ships(if that's what they will get).A good midterm option would have been for the US to sell/lease the 6 Ticonderega class Aegis equipped cruisers which it recently took out of service.The problem would be that these ships carry an older variant of the Aegis battle management system & use conventional twin arm missile launchers(they don't have VLS as later ships do).That reduces both the number of SM-2s as well as firing rate,both of which are crucial against Taiwan.Moreover,it can't launch the SM-2 Blk4 or SM-3 missiles which are primarily aimed at intercepting ballistic missiles.I would prefer Taiwan having atleast 8 Aegis equipped destroyers as 4-5 are of limited use against 600 ballistic missiles & another 500 cruise missiles(in the words of US defense analyst).Moreover it would vastly improve Taiwan's anti-surface & ASW capabilities.
refer Post 390.
Heck,no one would openly do it,including probably the US,let alone India.India though ,does have increasing trade links with Taiwan & about an year back,an Indian military delegation had a "brief stopover" in Taiwan on their way to Japan.
India would not enter into a military alliance with Pakistan under the present circumstances. I also don't see Pakistan betraying their patron saint- China.
"They would view a formally independent Taiwan as a humiliating political defeat. "
Yes, there is often this issue of having to save face in Chinese culture. In many ways it probably prevents them and the Taiwanese (similar cultural viewpoint) from coming to the right course of action.
"I don't think India would do this (recognize Taiwan), as this could jeopardize it's negotiations with China over its disputed territories with China. Something really drastic has to happen in its relations with China, for India to take such a step."
True they might not do that, but they would use the extra bargaining power created by the US and other nations recognizing Taiwan. They could say: "We'll hold off joining them in recognizing Taiwan, but you'll have to give us this & this etc...
"Yes, there is often this issue of having to save face in Chinese culture. In many ways it probably prevents them and the Taiwanese (similar cultural viewpoint) from coming to the right course of action."
I see that mainly in China. I think it would be considerably easier to convince the Taiwanese govt to abandon the Republic of China name when declaring independence and become the Republic of Taiwan.
"Their ballistic missile technology is improving every day. It won't be surprising if in 5 to 10 years their tactical ballistic missiles will be accurate enough to pick particular buildings within a targeted base to hit. Send a 100 or more missiles at each base, and there's not enough left standing to mount a defense with. "
With that kind of missile accuracy, hitting as large a target as an aircraft carrier would be just as easy, except that the big boxes move. However, the algorithms for finding a big, boxy radar/infrared signature on the open sea are very straightforward. I'm sure the free traders have already transferred that technology.
"Well I hope we have a strong administration should that happen, somone who will not give into the press's lies and disonformation."
***I would hope so, too. That's why I have so much trouble understanding this announcement:
Would U.S. sacrifice Taiwan? Official says America not required to defend island
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1306400/posts
My suspicion is that George Bush might be willing to throw Taiwan under the bus to satisfy his free trade contingent. I sure hope that isn't the case. And he's picking up a bias by listening to his dad who was the Ambassador to China.
Well Taiwan is not a part of China. It was ceded... ohh I already typed that a million times but just go look up "Taiwan History"
That's easy. Taiwan bases their military after our own, going for tactics, quality and technology instead of sheer numbers. In addition to that the Taiwanese officers are competent in english (for the whole US-Taiwan military integration thing).
I agree wholeheartedly! We would not need to wait for it to hit, just calculate its trajectory and point of impact (NORAD has computers that do this).
Well somthing drastic has to happen anyway. The US can no longer remain neutral for long, not with China supporting Iran (giving military aid, ballistic missile technology and assisting its nuclear program).
:) That's pretty good.
Red6
I see that mainly in China. I think it would be considerably easier to convince the Taiwanese govt to abandon the Republic of China name when declaring independence and become the Republic of Taiwan.
They are already in the process of doing that. Companies with names as "China Shipbuilding" "China Steel" etc will be "Taiwan Shipbuilding" and "Taiwan Steel" next year. Official government documents now alrweady have "Taiwan" in place of "Repblic of China." This has been going on for months.
Has Taiwan already recieved 2 Kidds??well that's news to me.I think they launch an early variant of the SM-2 which has a range of around 70kms(SM-2 Block2??) with limited anti-missile capability.From what Ive read,the Kidds are good multi-purpose platforms,but I don't think they are stealthy by any means.They have considerable RCS.Ive read that Taiwan is planning upgrades on a lot of it's frigates like the French built Kang Ding class & American origin OHP class frigates-but these type can't carry anything more than a 16 or 32 cell launch system & they also don't have advanced radar & command systems like the AEGIS or APAR.So their ability to fully use the SM-2 will be stunted.Those ships will probably mount the ESSM medium range SAM & maybe even anti-submarine rockets.
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