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To: little jeremiah
The fact that you get so angry and vituperous is evidence that there is a voice in your heart you are trying to drown out. Even if you shut me and everyone who thinks like me up, that voice will still be there, and you'll still have to get angry.

No, the fact that I get so angry is the voice in my heart that resents serfdom, even if it's benevolent. You don't get it, but I don't want to wear your yoke and do things your way, anymore than I want to be the vassal of some regent.

You call it extreme libertarianism for a man to want to be able to make his own decisions. I don't. It really comes down to that. You have a semi-marxist view of society as the collective, and everything should be for the greater good of the collective. I don't. I believe freedom is for the individual, not the collective.

498 posted on 11/26/2004 1:46:32 PM PST by Melas
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To: Melas; All

I consider it telling that none of the supporters of the "right" to view, sell, distribute, or manufacture pornography have addressed any of the many salient points I or any others have brought up on this thread. None of the supporters of porn have addressed the very cogent arguments in support of morality quoted by Jefferson or Burke. No one has said anything other than this:

"No one has the right to get in the way of what I want. Well, *I* don't want it, but others do."

You are saying that traditional moral absolutes should not inform what the government can and can't do. Yet you have not offered any other set of rules or guidelnes for such standards.* You are walking a very thin line, because there are people whose idea of what is right and wrong is so twisted that it makes the porn you so valiantly support look like a Sunday school picnic. And those people think that YOU are the nanny staters.

If you reject the moral absolutes that have are consistent with every theist religion, you are left solely with your own minds. And guess what! Every mind is different. You have no reason to have laws against child/adult sex, human/animal sex, consensual cannibalism, and so on. None of you has addressed this very important point.

Since all you want to do is toss empty slogans around without any attempt at reasonable discourse, there's no reason for me to respond any more. You can rub your hands and think, "Aha! We defeated him!". Go ahead. You still haven't addressed the points above.

*Therefore, might makes right. Whoever is the big dog will make the rules. Someday a bigger dog may come along and make rules that you don't like, if there are no absolutes standards. None of you has addressed this fact.


501 posted on 11/26/2004 3:10:23 PM PST by little jeremiah (Moral absolutes are what make humans human.)
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