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To: Sam the Sham
Porn destroys the values of restraint and deferred gratification without which civilized life is impossible

Porn is an inanimate object. It cannot destroy values or harm morals, any more than guns can kill people.

People destroy values and morality through their actions. Tell me, how does a consenting adult viewing or reading pornography in private in any way harm the morals of society?

449 posted on 11/25/2004 9:06:04 AM PST by Modernman (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Modernman; little jeremiah; Melas

What you pour into your mind molds your values. Even you should be able to comprehend that. If you put sadism and depravity into your mind on a continual basis, it is as destructive of your moral values as eating only fast food would be of your physical health.

Look at what sadistic mass entertainments preceeded by live sex shows did for the moral character of Roman civilization.

Look at you. Porn has given you a very selfish definition of freedom that acknowledges only your right to gratify yourself immediately. Are you capable of sacrifice, of effort, of duty or patience ? Are you capable of looking beyond a woman's breast size ?


451 posted on 11/25/2004 9:16:06 AM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: Modernman; Sam the Sham

MM thinks that watching porn is fine and has no ill effect on the watcher/wanker. StS and I opine that it does have ill effect. Nothing will change MMs viewpoint unless and until he has a change of heart.

Here's an anecdotal story, there are probably plenty more like it.

I knew a man and a woman - she wanted to marry him, he was skirting around the edge. She got pregnant, there were signs a miscarriage might be iminent. He went to a porn movie, (this was before the Internet) where he went often without her knowledge. She started having a miscarriage, couldn't get ahold of him, went into shock, unconsciousness. He finally came back in the nick of time to save her life.

He continued visiting porn emporiums on a very regular basis. They wound up not getting married, primarily because he couldn't form a real relationship with a real woman. He later married, and divorced - she couldn't handle a man who was always fantasizing (and wanking over) other two dimensional women. His life is screwed, the ex-wife is damaged, and I believe there is a child who now has a broken home.

This is merely an anecdote. But the moral of the story is that many, many men have serious pornography attachments, and this attachment destroys relationships. A man cannot respect himself or women while indulging in pornography.

MM, your views are created by the ephemeral desires of your mind. StS's and my views are created by the Eternal. Your views, if the guideline of society, will lead it into chaos, and then totalitarianism.

Only a moral people can handle freedom. Those who are slaves to their sensual demands become slaves of whoever is the big dog.


452 posted on 11/25/2004 9:22:23 AM PST by little jeremiah (Moral absolutes are what make humans human.)
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To: Modernman

"Porn is an inanimate object. It cannot destroy values or harm morals, any more than guns can kill people."

Wrong analogy. Guns can be used by criminals to kill innocent people. Guns can be used by honest citizens to protect themselves and others. Guns can be used for good or ill.

Porn, however, has only one purpose - to demean human sexuality.

You like its purpose, and therefore, since you worship your own flickering desires, you deem it worthy. Your own desires are not the center of the universe.


454 posted on 11/25/2004 9:29:28 AM PST by little jeremiah (Moral absolutes are what make humans human.)
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To: Modernman; Sam the Sham

Oh lets not split hairs shall we Modernman!....the people possessing a consciousness of amorality who push porn and an atmosphere of moral unrestraint are of those who are chipping away at the moral foundation of this nation.....is that a better explanation for you?

If only porn were an inanimate object...it could be launched into space and into the hellish sun where it belongs!


455 posted on 11/25/2004 10:31:07 AM PST by mdmathis6
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