PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

A 2004 pro-life thread brought back to life | 11-13-04 | Vicomte13

[Howlin]

Maybe not.........LOL.

[narses]

Gladly:

Self-Defence ? Enforcement of the Law? War?
Is there a difference between killing and murder?
Do you believe in capital punishment?

Yes, emphatically yes to all of the above.

Whose life is more important?
Mother ? Child ?
Who makes the choice? You? Me?

Both lives are equally important. Neither should be sacrificed to save the other, except on a voluntary basis (for example, the Saint who chose to deny herself chemotherapy rather than have it kill her then unborn child). The "choice" is to kill or not. Since the unborn child cannot make an informed choice of self-sacrafice, every effort ought to be made to save BOTH lives. Your turn, if you please.

[Paridel]

I'm just trying to inform you that attempting to claim that the pro-life vote "isn't needed" isn't accurate, either. There's constituencies we could afford to thoroughly piss off, but the pro-lifers aren't one of them.

You know, I'm not sure what constituencies we really can offord to throw away. (err, except for maybe the log cabin republicans.).

What I don't like is groups suddenly drawing a line in the sand. Some in the pro-life crowd seem to be very fond of demanding lip service often and from everyone.

For instance I know people that wouldn't support Arnold for Governor of California cause he wouldn't come out Strong pro-life. Maybe I'm mistaken (it's rare but it happens) but as Governor is he really going to be able to further a strong pro-choice agenda? no. So basically they were for throwing California to the dogs because he wouldn't pay them lip-service.

The president is obviously strongly pro-life. The problem is that if he has to constantly come out every week and say that he is pro-life to make pro-lifers happy then he will lose support on other fronts.

I'm strongly pro-life, but it isn't my main sole issue. I don't really have a sole issue. I think that we need to push back the liberal front everywhere we can. Even I would get irritated at the president suddenly his entire focus was on abortion. No, that doesn't mean we can give an inch on the abortion side, but there are lots of other places we can't afford that inch either.

What I'm getting at is that some pro-lifers won't be happy until the republican party does the political equivalent of saying "we will give inches anywhere and everywhere we can if it means reduce abortion on demand in this country". The sad thing is this is probably a non-issue, because we can and should advance the conservative front on all sides. But even so some will try to drag the party over the coals on it.

To advance our policy we have to stand together. We have to fight smart against the liberals. Fortunately we have been, and as they can't even admit the reasons to themselves why they lost, they don't stand a chance. But now we are finally a majority party, a large majority, for the first time really since FDR, and we need to quickly learn how to handle that position.

-paridel

[FITZ]

Also --- the generations growing up now are abortion survivors --- they are born to mothers who were obviously willing to suffer the inconvenience and cost of giving birth and raising children. The abortion side has been killing their children --- so you can expect some big shifts to the pro-life & Conservative side.

[narses]

See post 271 and my reply.

[ScholarWarrior]

So you would outlaw in vitro fertilization for couples that have a hard time getting pregnant, or advance fertilization for couples undergoing cancer therapy that might want to have children in the future?

The position you take is much farther than overturning Roe v. Wade.

It means that an IUD is murder. And the day-after pill is murder. Right?

[ApesForEvolution]

Of course no one advocates that, but of course, you are very wise...RINOS lack a scintilla of wisdom when it really counts.

[Howlin]

Why do you feel the need to downplay and marginalize the role of pro-lifers and evangelicals? 'Tis a strange thing...

I don't feel the "need" at all; certainly not as much as you all feel the need 1) to seperate yourselves from the rest of the GOP or 2) to repeatedly tell us that if we don't do exactly what you're saying, you're leaving.

That being said, I am a stickler for the facts; and these are the facts.

[going hot]

my daughter is trying that with her breath. She is two and 1/2.

[narses]

Yes to all. BTW, mine is the SAME position as that of all orthodox Catholics.

[tpaine]

Approve the pro-life judges, and there will be no problem.
Vicomte13

Not if those new judges honored their oaths to support the Constitution.
"Due process" is a well established Constitutional right. It even applies to pregnant women, believe it or not.

[bondserv]

So what you'r essentially saying is that anyone with a differing viewpoint on abortion than you is your enemy. That's simply not true. Some of us just have other issues that we take into consideration on election day. For example, oh, I don't know...maybe the fact that 3000 people died AT THE SAME TIME a while back and there are many more to follow if we don't act now! No one is marginalizing you. You are the ones issueing threats and ultimatums.

You are missing the point. We believe that abortion is a more serious evil than 911. Slaughtering millions of innocent babies is a greater evil than Bin-Laden and his band of sickos.

Imagine having video tape on the Internet of Bin-Laden's boys beheading 3,000 children at an American Preschool. How much outrage would that produce in your soul. This is how we view abortion.

The outrage cannot be dampened by other issues! You all in our minds are acting exactly like John Kerry was toward terrorism. We need you to understand this.

[unsycophant]

Hi Spiff. I thought you left in 1998 to restore the constitution over at yahoo.

We already have clean sterile murder rooms--in prisons. No reason a guy should have to be electrocuted or gassed inhumanely when we have the technology to do it better.

I am beginning to believe you suffer from a perpetual case of Republican Bickeritis.

Get well soon.

[narses]

Abortion is due process? Read your own tag-line.

[sitetest]

Dear narses,

You may wish to point out that the law only permits positive action to end another's life when the other is no longer in a position of innocence.

We recoil in horror at the thought of executing an innocent person. We seek to avoid, at high cost, even accidentally killing civilians in war. We send cases of alleged self-defense to grand juries to assure that the homicide was justified by self-defense.

We do not ever, ever accept that it is lawful to take positive action to directly, intentionally kill an innocent human being.

Except with abortion.


sitetest

[Howlin]

Oh, wait; I think I jumped YOU by just skimming your post and making an assumption!

I owe YOU the apology!

And for the record, I sucked the lemon and it was SOUR.

[Drammach]

LOL...

Well, then, It's ALL YOUR FAULT !!

( If DU can do it, so can I, ! )

[narses]

Dear narses,

You may wish to point out that the law only permits positive action to end another's life when the other is no longer in a position of innocence.

We recoil in horror at the thought of executing an innocent person. We seek to avoid, at high cost, even accidentally killing civilians in war. We send cases of alleged self-defense to grand juries to assure that the homicide was justified by self-defense.

We do not ever, ever accept that it is lawful to take positive action to directly, intentionally kill an innocent human being.

Except with abortion.


sitetest

[ScholarWarrior]

I would agree with your comment on who is getting aborted. The map that shows the states aborted is wrong. It should show the small Northeast Deomcrat states instead of the large area small population conservative ones.

If pro-life can win (over 30 years) without losing the government, it's a free country.

I just want a workable solution that doesn't lose elections. IMHO the rabid pro-lifers are not just about overturning Roe v. Wade, it's a harder line that will in fact lose elections once it is clearly uncovered, which I assure you the media will do.

[TAdams8591]

Narses, I am a she.