Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org
Anybody who doesn't think this is a major issue for the party should ask themselves why Ronald Reagan made it a wedge issue and elevated it to national prominence in the party?
Why are they turning their backs on Reagan and the platform? They are disloyal republicans and don't have a clue about the great moral divide in this country.
Anyone who would demand that we should put party above principle sounds more like a fascist than a republican.
And he can't stand our "whining" about abortion?? Must be easier to ignore the silent SCREAMS of the murdered babies that way. I wonder if this person really has a conscience or just chooses to ignore, for whatever reason, this great evil that is perpetrated on the innocent everyday.
Eternal life, of course. Vivo Christo Rey. But, the Way and the Truth do NOT include a utopian view supported by the slaughter of the innocent.
This reminds me of the hooptie-do surrounding President Bush's Executive Order regarding funding of Embryonic Stem Cell Research in August '01. If I recall, there was all manner of teeth gnashing, wails of betrayals, threats and bullying by the ardent "give me everything or else" anti-abortion forces then. It would be interesting to pull up some FR threads from that era and event to observe the forum discourse. It would look much the same as this ridiculous anti-Specter jihad, I reckon.
good post! I'm not sure what's best for the pro-life cause, keeping Specter in (for now) or not, but I do know that DC needs to hear the message here: Millions of people voted Republican for the pro-life issue. Now it's time to deliver! Let's continue to pray for W that he will appoint conservatives and be willing to stand up the liberals to get them confirmed!
Give up the "You Godless murdering heathen, you WILL vote the way I TELL you to vote or I will call you a murderer again" approach? Are you nuts? Why tamper with perfection in public relations?
(sarcasm OFF)
"As it is currently interpreted, yes. The SCOTUS has that responsibility, and excercised it."
So ALL ACTIVISM from the left that is settled law is now OK in your book? You equate undoing ACTIVISM with ACTIVISM? You are truly out of step with mainstream conservatism here.
Do you support Justices Thomas and Scalia and their views?
Dear Cold Heat,
Actually, Justice Scalia is more of a strict constructionist than Justice Thomas. Justice Scalia believes that the proper way to interpret the Constitution is by looking at the text of the document itself, and to a limited degree, what men meant by the words at the time they were written.
Justice Thomas, however, interprets the Constitution according to a natural law philosophy. He believes the underlying philosophical premise of the Constitution is tied up in natural law and natural rights.
Since the Founders largely believed in natural law and natural rights, Justices Thomas and Scalia often agree with one another. However, there are some subtle differences.
But, you appear to speak somewhat approvingly of these Justices. Do you approve of them? Would you mind if we had three or four more?
If we did, Roe would not survive.
By the way, as for borking, it is ironic that you, of all people, should mention that on this thread, of all threads, as it has largely been about whether or not Mr. Specter should become chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.
It is Mr. Specter who borked Judge Bork.
That is an excellent reason why he ought to be prevented from ascending to the chairmanship.
sitetest
Your poll indicates that I am correct.
I have no clue as to how you can see it differently.
Currently, Roe permits no restrictions of abortion.
Not true. Read the courts opinion. States can regulate late term abortion to protect the rights of the baby.
Peterson was just convicted in CA of murder of an unborn baby.
Obviously, you have little regard for the truth of this issue, s-test. Why is that?
More creative math!
Love it!
"I have no clue as to how you can see it differently."
I know. Amazing, isn't it?
As for your claim that "The tinkering with Roe is underway now", care to show us where and when? And explain how that 'tinkering' isn't JUDICIAL ACTIVISM in the same way an outright repeal would be?
"States can regulate late term abortion to protect the rights of the baby."
Show ONE LAW that has withstood the Roe/Wade and Doe/Bolton scrutiny in this regards.
"Peterson was just convicted in CA of murder of an unborn baby."
That was an abortion?
It is very informative that those who attack pro-lifers the most on this forum are also the most vulgar.
Dear tpaine,
You need to read what I wrote before responding to it.
States may permit the prosecution of folks OTHER THAN THE MOTHER who harm unborn children.
What I said was, "Currently, Roe permits no restrictions of abortion."
I will expand, if you did not catch my meaning, "Roe permits no real restrictions on induced abortions procured by the mother."
What Mr. Peterson did does not fall under "abortion procured by the mother."
In fact, in approving the most mild regulation of abortion (parental notification with judicial bypass, minor waiting periods, etc.), Justice O'Connor has pointed out that any regulation that had the effect of actually denying a woman of any abortion at any time during pregnancy would not pass Roe's scrutiny.
sitetest
They are, have been and are doing so.
The legislature has gone fatter by restricting Partial Birth abortions. The president has mandated through EO a fetal rights provision.
Why is it, that you keep asking questions with obvious answers?
One can only surmise at this point, that you are flame baiting.
But I could be wrong........Am I?
Dear Cold Heat,
Indeed, I erred. It should read, "Thus, 60% don't essentially agree with Roe. Less than 40% essentially agree with Roe."
22% who believe that abortion should be banned added to the 38% who believe that abortion should be more restricted. Neither category is accommodated by Roe.
sitetest
fatter = further.
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