Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org
We both know that. The issue is that BY FIAT all laws restricting abortion were wiped out in Roe/Wade and Doe/Bolton. ALL of them. The educational efforts no longer include legislative debates as the court, BY FIAT, has precluded that.
Repeal Roe and Doe and watch the debate begin.
Explain the Fox/Opinion Dynamics poll cited in #1370.
38 + 22 = ???????
Of the three choices, which one would those repondents who favor abortion only in cases of rape, incest and life of the mother fall in to?
Well said !
Dear Amelia,
"I know you aren't going to like me pointing this out, but you could also interpret that to say that 77% of the population supports legalized abortion, while only 22% think it should be illegal."
I never said differently.
What I HAVE said is that a majority of folks favor much more restrictive abortion laws.
I have seen multiple polls that have asked this question, or something like it, "Do you favor abortion only in cases of rape, incest, and the life of the mother."
I've also seen the question with, "and in cases of severe fetal deformity."
Most folks believe that these three or four exception cases make up a large number of abortions currently procured.
But if you ask that question, large majorities (60+%) say, yes they would prefer that abortion be limited to those cases.
I guess that makes all those folks pro-choice!! LOL!
Of course, that would outlaw about 96% of abortions.
So, although it isn't as far as I would go, I ACCEPT! I will accept the will of the majority who are "pro-choice" who wish to make illegal 96% of all abortions!
The problem is, that if you ask folks whether they favor a complete ban on abortion (full disclosure - that's my preference), only about 20% of people go for that.
Amelia, I'll readily admit that most folks favor some limited allowance for abortion.
But most folks favor a legal regime of abortion law that is far more restrictive than what Roe permits. In overturning Roe, I have no illusions that we'll instantly go to a society that bans abortion, total and complete.
But in overturning Roe, I am confident that we will move to a society that makes illegal a large number of abortions currently committed.
sitetest
I still don't believe you asked it. It is incomprehensible.
I affirmed the wisdom of Clinton's statement regarding abortion in the run up to the election in his first term.
He won that election!
It was with no help from me, to be certain. But what he said resonated.
All your denials aside, you cannot equate my agreement with one statement with support of a rapist.
You are the one who is out of line, but it does not bother me.
Please continue..........You are not gaining any support that I can see, so please.........continue.
Dear Cold Heat,
Currently, Roe permits no restrictions of abortion.
Yet, 22% prefer a ban, and 38% prefer greater restrictions on abortion.
Thus, 60%, in this poll, prefer abortion laws which are more restrictive than permitted by Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton.
To implement those restrictions, wanted by at least 60% of the population, it will be necessary to overturn Roe and Doe.
sitetest
PS - I went to Catholic school. ;-)
Of the three choices ("Generally available" - "Available, but under stricter limits" - "Should not be permitted"), which one would those repondents who favor abortion only in cases of rape, incest and life of the mother fall in to?
I don't think your comments are demonstrative of the evangelical Protestant Christian right (can't speak for the Catholics, though from what I've read, they are as non-wavering on this point as evangelicals) and therefore can be safely discarded.
Are you a part of that group or just the "pro-life movement" in general? Because you obviously don't know where the heart of the movement is at in this regard.
Just voting pro-life doesn't make you a reliable source on where the movement, activists, leaders, etc. are heading.
"Well said !"
It was indeed! But I did not write it, Freeper Vicomte13 did. I was just happy to post it.
That's it. I'm as "red-meat" as they come on traditional, conservative issues and I thought all of Keye's campaigns were unmitigated disasters. He'd be better off preaching hellfire and brimstone messages because that's the way he comes off when he speaks to audiences.
More than that, I consider him a scam artist.
Thanks for the ping.
Survival of us as a people and US as a country is more important, right now!
Absolutely!
It's nothing versus everything.
If the terrorists win everyone they don't kill will be converted to Islamic fundamentalists. They live to die for God. If they win, everyone losses.
On the other hand, if the terrorists are defeated we gain everything. Research scientists will continue advancing human longevity research and development at ever increasing pace until youth rejuvenating biological immortality is achieved and mass marketed.
Human death will be cured. In a few generations living forever will be the mindset -- the norm. Younger people will never really understand that in the past every person died. As readily as human death is accepted today, living forever will be readily accepted.
As with the war on terror -- either your with us or against us -- as with living forever either a person is for human life or for human death.
In the intern, similar to the mainstream media disparaging most everything that is good, many people will argue against mass marketed cures for human death. They'll do that while rationalizing that they are for life and against death.
Yeah, kind as bad as Rush preaching personal responsibility, Ha, ha!
Or Bill Bennett for that matter.
"Survival of us as a people and US as a country is more important, right now!"
40,000,000 dead and counting.
Dear narses,
I'd rather not serve as the semi-self-appointed arbiter between you and another poster.
I know that this thread is being monitored, since at least one comment by another poster was deleted. Therefore, it seems to me that in the judgment of the moderators, you have not given grave offense, as I don't see that any of your posts have been deleted.
From casual observation, I think the mods are right. I haven't examined your posts in detail, and don't plan to, but it seems you've been sticking pretty much to the subject at hand, if with an occasional bit of rhetorical flourish or hyperbole.
But heck, this IS a political discussion web forum. ;-)
sitetest
Dear JeffAtlanta,
"Stricter limits means parental notification, partial birth and third trimester abortions."
Roe, according to the Supreme Court, does not permit a ban on either partial birth abortions, or on third trimester abortions.
I guess "stricter limits" means overturning Roe.
Thanks for making that salient point.
sitetest
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