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Democracy Versus Republic {Stop calling it a Democracy}
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Posted on 11/10/2004 4:36:59 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK

Democracy Versus Republic

When our Founding Fathers established a "republic," in the hope, as

Benjamin Franklin said, that we could keep it, and when they guaranteed to
every state within that "republic" a "republican form" of government, they
well knew the significance of the terms they were using. And were doing all
in their power to make the feature of government signified by those terms
as permanent as possible. They also knew very well indeed the meaning of
the word democracy, and the history of democracies; and they were
deliberately doing everything in their power to avoid for their own times,
and to prevent for the future, the evils of a democracy.

Let's look at some of the things they said to support and clarify this
purpose. On May 31,1787, Edmund Randolph told his fellow members of the
newly assembled Constitutional Convention that the object for which the
delegates had met was "to provide a cure for the evils under which the
United States labored; that in tracing these evils to their origin every
man had found it in the turbulence and trials of democracy...."

The Founders Knew the Difference

The delegates to the Convention were clearly in accord with this
statement.   At about the same time another delegate, Elbridge Gerry, said: "The evils
we experience flow from the excess of democracy. The people do not want
(that is, do not lack) virtue; but are the dupes of pretended patriots."
And on June 21,1788, Alexander Hamilton made a speech in which he stated:

       It had been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable
would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no
position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the
people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of
government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity.

Another time Hamilton said: "We are a Republican Government. Real liberty
is never found in despotism or in the extremes of Democracy." Samuel Adams
warned: "Remember, Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts
and  murders itself! There never was a democracy that 'did not commit
suicide."' James Madison, one of the members of the Convention who was
charged with drawing up our Constitution, wrote follows:

       . . . democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and
contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or
the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives
as  they have been violent in their deaths.

Madison and Hamilton and Jay and their compatriots of the Convention
prepared and adopted a Constitution in which they nowhere even mentioned
the word democracy, not because they were not familiar with such a form of
government, but because they were. The word democracy had not occurred in
the Declaration of Independence, and does not appear in the constitution
of  a single one of our fifty states-which constitutions are derived mainly
from the thinking of the Founding Fathers of the Republic- for the same
reason. They knew all about Democracies, and if they had wanted one for
themselves and their posterity, they would have founded one. Look at all
the elaborate system of checks and balances which they established; at the
carefully worked-out protective clauses of the Constitution itself, and
especially of the first ten amendments known as the Bill of Rights; at the
effort, as Jefferson put it, to "bind men down from mischief by the chains
of the Constitution," and thus to solidify the rule not of men but of
laws.   All of these steps were taken, deliberately, to avoid and to prevent a
Democracy, or any of the worst features of a Democracy, in the United
States.

And so our Republic was started on its way. And for well over a hundred
years our politicians, statesmen, and people remembered that this was a
republic, not a democracy, and knew what they meant when they made that
distinction. Again, let's look briefly at some of the evidence.

Washington, in his first inaugural address, dedicated himself to "the
preservation . . . of the republican model of government." Thomas
Jefferson, our third president, was the founder of the Democratic Party;
but in his first inaugural address, although he referred several times to
the Republic or the republican form of government he did not use the word
"democracy" a single time. And John Marshall, who was Chief Justice of the
Supreme Court from 1801 to 1835, said: "Between a balanced republic and a
democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos."

Throughout the Nineteenth Century and the early part of the Twentieth,
while America as a republic was growing great and becoming the envy of the
whole world, there were plenty of wise men, both in our country and
outside  of it, who pointed to the advantages of a republic, which we were
enjoying,  and warned against the horrors of a democracy, into which we might fall.
Around the middle of that century, Herbert Spencer, the great English
philosopher, wrote, in an article on The Americans: "The Republican form
of  government is the highest form of government; but because of this it
requires the highest type of human nature-a type nowhere at present
existing."

And in truth we have not been a high enough type to preserve the
republic we then had, which is exactly what he was prophesying.

Thomas Babington Macaulay said: "I have long been convinced that
institutions purely democratic must, sooner or later, destroy liberty or
civilization, or both." And we certainly seem to be in a fair way today to
fulfill his dire prophecy. Nor was Macaulay's contention a mere personal
opinion without intellectual roots and substance in the thought of his
times. Nearly two centuries before, Dryden had already lamented that ~no
government had ever been, or ever can be, wherein timeservers and
blockheads will not be uppermost." And as a result, he had spoken of
nations being "drawn to the dregs of a democracy." While in 1795 Immanuel
Kant had written: "Democracy is necessarily despotism."

In 1850 Benjamin Disraeli, worried as was Herbert Spencer at what was
already being foreshadowed in England, made a speech to the British House
of Commons in which he said: "If you establish a democracy, you must in
due  time reap the fruits of a democracy. You will in due season have great
impatience of public burdens, combined in due season with great increase
of  public expenditure. You will in due season have wars entered into from
passion and not from reason; and you will in due season submit to peace
ignominiously sought and ignominiously obtained, which will diminish your
authority and perhaps endanger your independence. You will in due season
find your property is less valuable, and your freedom less complete."
Disraeli could have made that speech with even more appropriateness before
a joint session of the United States Congress in 1935. In 1870 he had
already come up with an epigram which is strikingly true for the United
States today. "The world is weary," he said, "of statesmen whom democracy
has degraded into politicians."

But even in Disraeli's day there were similarly prophetic voices on this
side of the Atlantic. In our own country James Russell Lowell showed that
he recognized the danger of unlimited majority rule by writing:

       Democracy gives every man The right to be his own oppressor.

W.H. Seward pointed out that "Democracies are prone to war, and war con-
sumes them." This is an observation certainly borne out during the past
fifty years exactly to the extent that we have been becoming a democracy
and fighting wars, with each trend as both a cause and an effect of the
other one. And Ralph Waldo Emerson issued a most prophetic warning when he
said: "Democracy becomes a government of bullies tempered by editors." If
Emerson could have looked ahead to the time when so many of the editors
would themselves be a part of, or sympathetic to, the gang of bullies, as
they are today, he would have been even more disturbed. And in the 1880's
Governor Seymour of New York said that the merit of our Constitution was,
not that it promotes democracy, but checks it.

Across the Atlantic again, a little later, Oscar Wilde once contributed
this epigram to the discussion: "Democracy means simply the bludgeoning of
the people, by the people, for the people." While on this side, and after
the first World War had made the degenerative trend in our government so
visible to any penetrating observer, H.L. Mencken wrote: "The most popular
man under a democracy is not the most democratic man, but the most
despotic  man. The common folk delight in the exactions of such a man. They like him
to boss them. Their natural gait is the goosestep." While Ludwig Lewisohn
observed: "Democracy, which began by liberating men politically, has
developed a dangerous tendency to enslave him through the tyranny of
majorities and the deadly power of their opinion."


"... democracies have ever been spectacles
of turbulence and contention; have ever been
found incompatible with personal security or
the rights of property; and have in general been
as short in their lives as they have been violent
in their deaths."

James Madison, known as the father of the U.S.
Constitution,  in "Essay #10" of The Federalist
Papers: ".

[I pledge allegiance to the flag..... and to the REPUBLIC for
which it stands...!]



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Why the Democrats fail to see this is Agenda driven blind ambition not to lead but to control !
1 posted on 11/10/2004 4:36:59 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

We don't need no stinkin' MOB RULE!


2 posted on 11/10/2004 4:37:50 PM PST by beyond the sea (ab9usa4uandme)
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To: beyond the sea

This should be THE subject of the next four years.


3 posted on 11/10/2004 4:40:49 PM PST by gortklattu (check out thotline dot com)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

A "democracy" is what you get when a bunch of british mutineers shack up on an island near french polynesia and vote on which women to rape.


4 posted on 11/10/2004 4:41:23 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Soooo Bookmarked!


5 posted on 11/10/2004 4:41:58 PM PST by cmsgop ( GLOAT? , YES PLEASE!!!!!!)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
"The Founders Knew the Difference"

I have always said the Founders were divinely inspired. It was so long ago yet every place where we have left their written Constitution we have created problems for ourselves.

I just hope we do not continue the slide away from their words and documents.
6 posted on 11/10/2004 4:42:43 PM PST by JSteff
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To: SpaceBar

Democracy is 3 wolves and 1 sheep voting on who is to be for dinner.


7 posted on 11/10/2004 4:42:47 PM PST by zahal724 (I own a lumber company? Want some wood?)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

"....in a Republic, voting on dinner is expressly prohibited and the sheep are ARMED."


8 posted on 11/10/2004 4:43:25 PM PST by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Ping for later reading.


9 posted on 11/10/2004 4:43:34 PM PST by Angry Republican (yvan eht nioj!)
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To: beyond the sea

Democrat used to be a derogatory term referring to someone who panders to the masses. Wait, why did I say "used to be".


10 posted on 11/10/2004 4:44:14 PM PST by Montresor
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Actually, The US is a Democracy. A Democratic Republic. There are not exclusive. There are various forms of Democracy, and a Democratic Republic is one of them.


11 posted on 11/10/2004 4:44:36 PM PST by NeonKnight
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To: SpaceBar

Bashing on Democracy in this time of right and necessary wars to instill Democracy around the world does not help our cause right now.


12 posted on 11/10/2004 4:44:57 PM PST by SBOinTX
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Thanks for the ready made HS History lesson.

((((hugs)))))


13 posted on 11/10/2004 4:45:15 PM PST by netmilsmom (Zell on DEM Christianity, "They can hum the tune, but can't sing the song.")
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Article IV, Section 4. Congress shall guarantee each State a Republican Form of Government.....


14 posted on 11/10/2004 4:45:55 PM PST by eagle11 (Conservatives are Red, Liberals are Blue.....let's come together so we can....?)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

ping


15 posted on 11/10/2004 4:46:36 PM PST by Taggart_D
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
I wonder when the last time was when a politician or the MSM said we are a REPUBLIC? I can NOT remember EVER hearing that term used. OTOH I hear we are a Democracy virtually everyday by the MSM or some Politician.

I guess it is for the same reason that the RED STATES are REPUBLICAN rather than the Socialist Party of America [Democrats]. Say it often and it becomes a FACT, and people honestly believe it is true.

16 posted on 11/10/2004 4:52:58 PM PST by PISANO (Never Forget 911!! & 911's First Heroes "Beamer, Glick , Bingham & Bennett.")
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

BTTT


17 posted on 11/10/2004 4:54:57 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

ping


18 posted on 11/10/2004 4:55:08 PM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: Fiddlstix

When I was in school 60 years ago democracy was a dirty word!


19 posted on 11/10/2004 4:59:13 PM PST by dalereed
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To: PISANO

I wonder when the last time was when a politician or the MSM said we are a REPUBLIC? I can NOT remember EVER hearing that term used.
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What else would you expect?

Democrats = Democracy

Republicans = Republic

The MSM suffers the disease of Democrats = Democracy !!!


20 posted on 11/10/2004 5:02:48 PM PST by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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