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To: wardaddy; Squantos; Eaker; archy
I was looking at the Sep-Dec Marine recruiting magazine, and they have an article on the Marines going to this weapon as a replacement for the Baretta 9mm. Maybe I'll post a thread on this.

"Guns of the Special Forces,"

This machine pistol fires the new 4.6 X 30mm, which has a velocity of 2,460 FPS. The foregrip folds down, and the stock extends to make it a mini-carbine. According to the Marine magazine article, it will be issued with a reflex sight. It's 14.9 inches long with stock retracted, and weighs 4#, mostly made of carbon fiber / polymer with metal inserts.

This will be a huge upgrade for guards and security forces!

58 posted on 11/04/2004 7:52:43 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee

Interesting. Is there any more info or photos available?


59 posted on 11/04/2004 9:08:38 AM PST by Eaker ("He's the kind of guy who would fight a rattlesnake and give the snake a two-bite head start.")
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To: Travis McGee

Hmmmmmm..... seems to replace a side arm with a sub gun also drops the primary arm (the rifle) from carry. Not sure of the caliber mentioned, but if it punches commercial grade vehicles and vests then indeed it's a fine tool for internal security duties. If not it's a wrong choice IMO. I can remember when DOD experimented with a sabot tungsten 9MM round for the then new M9 Beretta and the MP5 series of subguns. Their primary concern was that gate guards at base entry control points or in static security positions securing priority A, B &C resources could do what I described above with a "just a sidearm". I have a few of the rounds ratted away somewhere if I can find one, I'll take a digital pic, then brother in law Eaker or Joe Brower to host the pic for a day or so that I may show ya what I'm speaking of.......:o)

I like that pic.......hopefully someday the NFA BS can be reversed so we can purchase legally.

Stay safe !


65 posted on 11/04/2004 9:46:36 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Travis McGee

This will be a huge upgrade for guards and security forces!

It sure beats the heck out of the 4-inch barrelled .38 revolvers that were the mainstay of Embassy Marines, gateguards and USAF security cops through the 1950s/60s/70s.

I think the last buy of such weapons was the massive purchase of Ruger Security-Six .38s in the early 1980s, just as the M9 Beretta was being widely issued. A lot of the female troops had problems with the size of the M9s grip when pulling off a round double-action.

73 posted on 11/04/2004 10:54:44 AM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: Travis McGee

MMMMmmmm. Christmas wish!


81 posted on 11/04/2004 12:12:02 PM PST by RandallFlagg (FReepers, Do NOT let the voter fraud stories die!!!!)
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To: Travis McGee

Oooooooh! Ahhhhhhhh! Sure is purty!


91 posted on 11/05/2004 12:19:48 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (I'm from North Dakota and I'm all FOR Global Warming! Bring it ON!)
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