URGENT!!!!H.R. 163 Draft BILL Scheduled FOR VOTE!!!!

WTMJ Radio | 10/5/2004 | fanningp

[fanningp]

Just heard on the radio (Charlie Sykes) that H.R. 163 (Rangel D-NY) Draft Bill, is scheduled for a vote tonight between 6pm-7pm. Wanna Bet EVERY House Republican votes AGAINST IT?

[BigSkyFreeper]

The only ones who are stupid are the Democrats for perpetuating the myth during an election year. The dumbest thing they did was make it a campaign issue, which has prompted the Republicans to bring it out on the floor for the embarrasing defeat and hang it around the necks of every single pencil-necked Democrat in Congress.

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!!

[nomad]

But aren`t those socialists also all Rats, we need to pin this to them all!

[BigSkyFreeper]

Watch as the usual suspects: Jim McDimwit, Patty "terrorist sympathizer" Murray, and Charlie "I went to Korea" Rangel all vote for it.

[undeniable logic]

This is great. Just early enough for Cheney to talk about how a draft bill was up for a vote and all republicans voted no and only democrats voted yes.

[Darksheare]

I cannot confirm, but if it is true, the Dems really ARE desperate.

[rocklobster11]

I saw a Republican congressman on Scarborough or Hannity last week saying that they were going to bring this to a vote this week in order to force an up and down vote.

Finally, the Republicans are showing some balls. There won't be a single Republican voting for it.

[Kathy in Alaska]

Bill Summary & Status for the 108th Congress

H.R.163

Title: To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes. Sponsor: Rep Rangel, Charles B. [NY-15] (introduced 1/7/2003) Cosponsors (14) Related Bills: S.89 Latest Major Action: 2/3/2003 House committee/subcommittee actions. Status: Executive Comment Requested from DOD.

Note the sponsors - yuck!

[ravingnutter]

Here are the facts and Charlie Rangel's own words:

Draft Fears Fueled by Inaccurate E-mails

Excerpts:

The bills are not being pushed. It's quite true that the two bills mentioned would require both men and women aged 18 through 25 to perform a two-year period of "national service," which incidentally could be either military or non-military service. But the bills are sponsored only by Democrats, and there's not the slightest evidence that the Bush administration is pushing for them, quietly or otherwise.

One bill is HR 163 , whose principle sponsor is Democratic Rep. Charles Rangel of New York. It has 14 co-sponsors, all of them Democrats in a Congress controlled by Republicans. The bill was dead on arrival: it sits in a House subcommittee with no hearings or votes scheduled and no action expected.

In fact, Rangel told FactCheck.org through his spokesman Emile Milne that even he isn't pushing for passage, let alone Bush (emphasis added):

Rep. Rangel: I'm not pushing this bill . It's up to the President to come to me when he needs it.

The identical Senate bill, S. 89 , introduced by Democratic Sen. Ernest Hollings, and also was DOA. Not one other senator has co-sponsored it. It also sits in committee with no action scheduled or expected.

Both bills in question were drawn up before the Iraq war started, mostly to make a political point. Rangel said he acted to highlight Democratic objections to use of military force against Saddam Hussein. He wrote , "I truly believe that decision-makers who support war would more readily feel the pain of conflict and appreciate the sacrifice of those on the front lines if their children were there, too."

[claudiustg]

---Characterize it anyway you want to; Kerry and Keyes still favor involuntary servitude.---

Does Kerry support universal service? I hadn't heard that.

[Howlin]

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Creating a New Army of Patriots

On September 11th, 2001, America experienced the most terrible and deadly attack in its history. Yet, President Bush's response was to call on Americans to wait in long lines at airports, go shopping, or wrap their windows in plastic.

As President, John Kerry will have the courage to lead and call on all Americans to make our nation stronger. Whether it is protecting America from the threats of terrorism or addressing the problems we have at home, America's new challenges will not be met by the same old answers of big government or big tax cuts for the wealthy. John Kerry will call on all Americans - tapping into the idealism and ingenuity of Americans and putting it to work on building a safer, stronger, and more secure nation. Americans already make an enormous difference in their communities, volunteering, in Boys and Girls Clubs or homeless shelters.  Many Americans do full time service. John Kerry believes that in these times, we need to bolster these efforts with a nationwide commitment to national service. Whether it is a Summer of Service for our teenagers, helping young people serve their country in return for college, or the Older Americans in Service program, John Kerry's plan will call on every American of every age and every background to serve.  John Kerry will set a goal of one million Americans a year in national service within the next decade.

John Kerry Outlines Plan to Require Service for High School Students

Part of 100 days Plan to Enlist One Million Americans in National Service A Year

On September 11th, 2001, America experienced the most terrible and deadly attack in its history. John Kerry believes we need to think big and do better and get more young Americans serving the nation.

As part of his 100 day plan to change America, John Kerry will propose a comprehensive service plan that includes requiring mandatory service for high school students and four years of college tuition in exchange for two years of national service.

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National Service Plan Highlights

"Service for College" Initiative

As President, John Kerry will call on young people to help strengthen America's security and address unmet community needs. In return, he believes we should offer young Americans and their families the opportunity for a college education. A Kerry Administration will offer Americans the chance to earn the equivalent of their state's four-year public college tuition in exchange for two years of service. If service members decide not to go to college, their award can be used for job training or to help start a business. John Kerry will set a national goal of half a million young people serving their nation every year within ten years. President Bush promised to double AmeriCorps, but he broke that promise and let Congressional Republicans cut the program in half. John Kerry believes we need to think big and do better and get 500,000 young Americans serving the nation.

100,000 Older Americans in Service

As President, John Kerry will defend and strengthen vital programs such as Medicare and Social Security, but he also believes on calling on America's seniors to give their time, experience, and expertise to an America that needs their help. As President, John Kerry would create the Retired Not Tired Program.  By mentoring students, helping the infirm, or working in their communities for 10 hours a week, members can earn up to $2,000 a year tax free that they can apply to an education grant for a family member or a member of their community.  Alternatively, seniors will be able to use these funds to defray their own health care costs.  John Kerry plans to engage 100,000 seniors a year in service in the next decade.

High School Service Requirement

As President, John Kerry will ensure that every high school student in America performs community service as a requirement for graduation.  This service will be a rite of passage for our nation’s youth and will help foster a lifetime of service. States would design service programs that meet their community and educational needs.  However, John Kerry does not believe in unfunded mandates.  No state would be obligated to implement a service requirement if the federal government does not live up to its obligation to fund the program.

Creating a New Community Defense Service

John Kerry believes we must create a new Community Defense Service to be guided by our nation’s first responders.  This service would be comprised of hundreds of thousands of Americans in neighborhoods all over the country. Service captains would be there to make sure our communities have the information they need and are ready to respond a crisis, complimenting but not supplanting the work done by police, fire fighters, and other first defenders. Volunteer Service Captains would receive training and education to assist their communities in the event of an attack. They would be trained to help identify local health professionals and experts in the area, provide information on local evacuation or quarantine plans, and stand ready to be of assistance to first defenders. This initiative would be funded out of the Department of Homeland Security and administered by local community leaders, including first responders. This 'surge' capacity would be in addition to the expanded numbers of first responders John Kerry has already proposed hiring.

A Summer of Service for Teenagers

Thirteen to seventeen year olds are too old for child care and too young for many summer jobs. John Kerry believes we should tap their energy and idealism through a summer of service learning. Supervised by AmeriCorps members, these young people could help out in nursing homes, clean up local areas, or teach seniors computer skills. In turn, they would receive a $500 grant to apply to their college or vocational educations down the road. Parents do not want to leave their children alone all summer but most cannot afford other means of care. The Summer of Service program would give parents peace of mind and at the same time build more responsible and dedicated young citizens and stronger, more vibrant communities.

A Rebirth of the Peace Corps

If there was ever a time that everyday people in developing countries around the world needed to see idealistic, hard-working Americans struggling to help them succeed, it is today, in the aftermath of September 11th. Peace Corps members are the greatest ambassadors of goodwill and foot soldiers for democratization this nation has - and we need more of them. John Kerry believes we need a major expansion of the Peace Corps for this new century and in this new era. In the White House, John Kerry will push to expand the Peace Corps to 25,000 members.

Recruiting More Americans to the Military

The highest form of service is military service. America's military is having trouble recruiting and is increasingly relying on the reserves for active duty. John Kerry believes we must change that. The complicated missions we face and technologies we use depend on it. In a Kerry Administration, no university that receives federal aid will be allowed to ban the ROTC from their campus, except for religious reasons. And the ROTC scholarship program will be adequately funded so that students can attend the college of their choice. John Kerry will also make modernizing our GI benefits a top priority, because no program has been more successful increasing educational opportunities for veterans while also providing an incentive for the best and brightest to make a career out of military

Paid for by John Kerry for President, Inc.

[Darksheare]

Anyone stupid enough to vote for it had better have his office gear packed already..

[Non-Sequitur]

This isn't stupidity if Republicans don't vote for it.

The only way it's going to make it to the floor is if the Republicans DO vote for it. How much spin can they make out of that? And if the GOP forces it to the floor do you think that the Democrats are going to be stupid enough to support it, either in committee or in the final vote? This would play right into their hands.

[Soul Seeker]

Oh, okay, so they aren't using spin now?

Let them spin, but actual votes on the floor will go a long way towards minimizing it.

[claudiustg]

Wow! I had no idea! Thanks!

Around where I live it's harder to find people that haven't served than people that have.

[Non-Sequitur]

Let them spin, but actual votes on the floor will go a long way towards minimizing it.

And if none of them vote for it? Other than maybe Crazy Charlie and his sidekicks? If it attracts more Republican votes in committee than Democrat votes on the floor how is that going to minimize it?

[Howlin]

I wonder how many of Kerry's young supporters even realize that.

You know why I am wondering that? Because what I just posted to you has been REMOVED from Kerry's web site; luckily it was archived.

http://web.archive.org/web/20040210043828/www.johnkerry.com/issues/natservice/

[dread78645]

I would think. I counted 15 on the house website this morning, though ..

matter of definition.
1 sponsor (Rangel), 14 co-sponsors (not including Rangel)

[Soul Seeker]

If you cannot understand how allowing it to be voted on in the House aids the Republicans, I give up.

The Committe doesn't vote to authorize the draft. They only vote to allow a vote on the draft. It is obvious to anyone with half a brain why Republicans would vote to hold a vote. It is the same reason they want to hold a vote on flag burning. Dems can spin it however they like but at the end of the day the news will be the Dems sponsered the bill, and the Republican controlled House soundly defeated it.

Everytime afterwards when the draft is brought up, we say the Democrat sponsered bill was defeated in the House by Republicans. Case Closed.

[claudiustg]

Interesting! Do you know when they took it down from Kerry's website? Couldn't have been about the time the draft rumors surfaced, could it?