It is not intended to be the DU of the right, and, in my opinion (YMMV) you aren't doing a good job of holding up the side.
Shakeup is arguing his points as well as anything that rests on false premises can be argued, try to answer him back.
Thanks for the defense.
Regarding political philosophy, I'm afraid it's not my strength. What source of rights do you refer to when you talk of the founding fathers? Is it God?
Yep, this is not my day for this conversation. I'll admit to going a bit over the top and I'll remove myself from the thread. I have no beef with your sentiment as it pertains to this issue, but I must admit that I didn't have to read too far into your posts to find similar behavior. Anyway, thats neither here nor there. I enjoy FR too much to make this a into a big incident and I apologize to any I've offended.