Odds on the 2008 GOP nominee

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[JLS]

Bill First 5/2 John McCain 7/2 Rudolph Guiliani 7/2 George Pataki 9/2 Chuck Hagel 6 Mitt Romney 6 Bill Owens 8 Tom Ridge 8 George Allen 12 Norm Coleman 12 Lindsey Graham 14 Sam Brownback 14 Arnold Schwarzenegger 66 Dick Cheney 66 Jeb Bush 66 Laura Bush 100

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Only a mole would promote Rudy for POTUS."

So, why did the Republican National Committee pick him to deliver the keynote address on the opening night of the GOP convention?

Is Gillespie the head of the "fifth column" (translation: anyone who doesn't agree with you)?

[Mark in the Old South]

Re: "So, why did the Republican National Committee pick him to deliver the keynote address on the opening night of the GOP convention?"

Beats me. You will have to ask the GOP. They never asked my opinion, if they had there would not have been so many pro-death people on the GOP platform during the convention. One of the reasons I did not turn in to watch.

You also miss my point. This trend is losing the social conservatives right now. The kind of thing you point out is just the reason there is growing distrust.

As to "fifth column" I would not doubt both parties have their spies and allies within each others party. How do you explain a Morris or Gergen in the Clintoon regime and the log cabin repubs. Translate it how you want but do not expect me to be impressed, I was making a point and it sailed right past you.

[YOUGOTIT]

I will donate and donate to make sure that Hagle Never Never is nominated. For that matter I will donate so that someone will defeat him in the Senate Race.

[Lady Jag]

Romney has a national as well as international reputation from his heroic work on the Olympics. It could be a good swift kick to the Dem party after Bush's two terms.

[Jacvin]

Like I said we probably live close by. anytime you want to
meet me in person and call me a "liar" just freepmail me the time and place.

I was not bragging fool,I was trying to illustrate that arttacks in an R primary can be counted on.If I would do it then what do you think Rudy's actual opponents will do?

My post #57 was my original post in response to the betting odds. I was handicapping the race because that is what the thread is about.

You and some other mope attacked me personally because you didn't like my response to the post.

Actually, I happen to love rhetoric, its what I do, but I do try not to turn it on Freepers except for when I'm personally attacked.

I didn't set myself up as the GOP buddy boy. You gloss over that I also posted as justification that the Republican Party platform is pro-life,pro-family and pro second amendment. All of the things Rudy is not.

I also posted the statement of principles for this website, once again, not authored by me but by Jim Robinson.

I am on the right website and in the right party, and my proof is the GOP platform.

You're the one that wants to disregard what the party says it stands for, not me.

It seems it enraged you and a few others that I actually pointed it out. Well that's just too bad.

As for me being the enemy, if you're talking about me being the enemy of mushy-headed loser log-cabin, baby killing, gun taking Rudy cultists that want to gut the principles that the GOP stands for then you are correct.

I am the enemy.

[Tall_Texan]

Well, for fiscal conservatives, yes, you have a point. I was responding more to social moderates.

True, Bush has spent like a drunken sailor but I haven't seen him twisting any arms to get social conservative measures passed within his own party.

[Jacvin]

They put Rudy on in prime time because they were reaching out to mods like Luis.

When you already have your base nailed down then you reach out to the 8-10% of the electorate that has no strong convictions and is undecided.

Of course Luis missed your larger point. He is fixated on wrecking the GOP and has no interest in dealing with your point.

[Mark in the Old South]

Re: "I know my people, and six figures is what they spend on a single ad campaign"

And who are your people? Could their initials be JFK, THK, WJC, HRC, GS, MO.com?

You want Rudy way too badly to be for real.

[Jacvin]

I'm not for Rudy.

[Hammerhead]

George Allen hands down my favorite.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"And who are your people? Could their initials be JFK, THK, WJC, HRC," blah, blah, blah...

Let's see. Rudy Giuliani is a Republican, he ran as a Republican when he ran for Mayor of NYC, and will undoubtedly run as a Republican if and when he decides to run either for the Senate, or for Governor.

So unless you're saying that people with those initials are Republicans, I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"He is fixated on wrecking the GOP and has no interest in dealing with your point."

LOL!!!

More Nostradamus from you?

Here's a clue...it's the "sheeple's" Party, not YOUR party...and this by your own admission. After all, you are the one who said that the Party has no control over who votes in the primaries.

If the "sheeple" want Rudy bad enough, and Rudy wants it equally as badly, look for Rudy to "see the light".

[Jacvin]

You continue to be disingenuous and ignoring other poster's main points.

He or she is calling you a RINO and you know it.

[StoneColdGOP]

Do any of them stand for enforcing the U.S. border and cracking down on illegal aliens?

[Mark in the Old South]

Re: "Let's see. Rudy Giuliani is a Republican, he ran as a Republican blah blah blah"

I could not care less what a person calls himself. Teresa Hinze sKerry (THK) calls herself African American, but what else is she good for other than to sign checks and give real Republicans as good laugh.

But by all means if you democrats want to vote for Rudy go for it.

[Jacvin]

I used that term bacause so many regular general election voters can be swayed by a sound bite.

That anyone would be undecided at this point is beyond belief. Yes, if you are undecided at this point in the process then you have no core convictions and if you can be manipulated by who is put on at what time at the conventions then you are in my opnion "sheeple".

In my opinion a person that can be swayed by the conventions is akin to a sheep.

That in no way refers to primary voters or Freepers for that matter.

I used the term in the context of the convention and I stand by it.

My entire point throughout this whole thread is that National Republican primary voters, not being sheeple, have never chosen a candidate as left as Rudy and probably will not in 08. That is a rational assumption based on history.

The majority of Republican Primary voters describe themselves in polls as Conservative in the fullest sense of the word. Social and fiscal Conservatives.

Anyone that even watches primaries closely can see that as an objective fact backed by historical results and polling in Republican primaries.

You are the one that posits some sort of massive sea change in the Republican base all because Rudy was brave on 9/11 and you think he's grand.

I said before in a previous post that I happen to like Rudy for what he is, the best example of a liberal Northeastern Republican we are going to get.

That does not make him electable as President.

Why do you always ignore everyone's main point and argue at the fringes of the discussion?

[Brandon]

I don't give Clinton credit for the low deficits in the 90s; I give that to the GOP Congress of that period.

But now lookee here -- we have a Republican president, a Republican House, and a nominally Republican Senate -- but we have deficits of $400B. I'm sorry it makes your blood boil for me to point this out, but it is true. And President Bush has cast not one single, solitary veto, in nearly four years in office. Not one.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Let's begin pointing out your errors:

"You and some other mope attacked me personally because you didn't like my response to the post."

The first post between the two of us was post #136, from you to me, and I asked you to expound on it.

The first "attack" was when you called me "Nostradamus" in post #148, where you began your entire "I'm so much better than you" attitude.

By post #179, you are well underway with your "I know better and anyone who disagrees with me is the enemy of the GOP" crap.

Well, guess what?

If you don't mind, I will continue to exercise MY God-given right as a free man and an American to express my political thoughts freely, regardless of what some heretofore unknown "political consultant" may think!

As far as personal attacks are concerned, you can take your "fool" and your "boy" and shove it straight up your money chute.

You're in here browbeating anyone who wishes to discuss the topic of this thread, and by the way, yes you DID set yourself up as the GOP:

You're not going to change the GOP so why don't you stop fighting us?

81 posted on 09/26/2004 6:19:33 PM EDT by Jacvin

As an ex New Yorker,I like Rudy, but he is a liberal Republican New Yorker and that won't fly nationally in the Republican party.

And that's the way it should be.

121 posted on 09/26/2004 7:18:13 PM EDT by Jacvin

Enraged me?

LOL!!

I've debated better on Britney Spears threads, your entire argument has thus far been "you're wrong, and I'm right", and you've spent most of your posts attacking anyone who has an opinion different than yours.

By the way, I have no desire to meet you, why would I, are you going to impress me with your balance sheet?

[Jacvin]

You're not going to change the GOP so why don't you stop fighting us?

[Luis Gonzalez]

We also had an attack on this nations economic system on 9/11, and are involved in a global war.

Why don't you look at historical government spending during war times?

[Dan from Michigan]

I agree with you about underestimating opponents. I take all opponents seriously and did not mean to imply that I didn't. I do think Hillary's overrated, but not a cakewalk. Kerry was the guy I wanted to face from the start, but that doesn't mean we can stop working.

The first thing I look at is if candidate can sell in the Midwest since that's where most swing states are at.

Obama does scare me down the road. He's well spoken, articulate, and unless a complete disaster happens, will win statewide. He's also from the Midwest. Since he's NOT from Detroit, he'd probably be a threat in my own state since he won't be able to antagonize the Detroit suburbs in the racial politics that goes on between Detroiters and Detroit's burb - while at the same time getting votes there and in Southfield/Flint.

Bill Richardson scares me the most. Governor(outsider). Insider ties(Klinton). Experience(albeit not necessarily good experience). First Hispanic on a ticket. Westerner. At least somewhat pro-2a(Signed Conceal Carry). I think he can 'good ole boy' his way to a lot of votes up here.