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To: Oorang
Moreover, we will not stop at this point, but will pursue this evil force to its own lands, invade its Western heartland, and struggle to overcome it until all the world shouts by the name of the Prophet and the teachings of Islam spread throughout the world."

I really wish more people would study history. You know who you are. If there had been the same irrational attitude during WWII toward the Nazis [Only "some" Nazis are bad] as we have toward the Islamics [only "some" islamics are bad], we'd have never won WWII. Until folks recognize the enemy for what it is, a cult that wants domination over the entire world and the deaths of infidels, we are doomed to defeat. And all the PC bury your head in the sand pacifism will do you no good.

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987 posted on 09/18/2004 8:18:14 PM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: Indie

Well, you won't get any arguments from me Indie!


994 posted on 09/18/2004 9:16:06 PM PDT by Oorang ( Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: Indie
If there had been the same irrational attitude during WWII toward the Nazis [Only "some" Nazis are bad] as we have toward the Islamics [only "some" islamics are bad], we'd have never won WWII.

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here. It's quite true that the Islamists want world domination and the killing of all "infidels" (as they see them - anyone who doesn't subscribe to their version of Islam, and most especially all Christians and Jews). But NB: The Islamists aren't all of Islam, and certainly not in this country. If you're trying to say that all Muslims are the equivalent of Nazis, that syllogism is roughly equivalent to saying that all German Christians during WWII subscribed to the Nazi ideology - which is patently not true.

Not at all to say that the Islamists aren't a significant slice of Islam; they're a pretty small minority in this country but in many other places they are a significant minority or even a majority. It's quite possible that they make up a majority of Muslims worldwide, mostly because of the huge numbers of disenfranchised peasants (for want of a better description) who inhabit the third world; however it's hard to get accurate numbers. Not that their illiteracy and poverty means that they aren't extremely dangerous, of course.

The fact is that historically Islam has had a fair amount of religious toleration for Christians within its borders, for example for the Orthodox and Coptic churches in Greece, Turkey, Egypt, and the Middle East, or even for the Hindus under the rule of the Moguls. That toleration does not look particularly generous by modern Western standards but in many respects it was more so than was tolerated of religious dissenters in Europe at the time. However the Islamists want to throw all of that on the trash heap and bring everyone in the world into Islam by brute force, or else kill them in the process.

Since I'm not a Muslim I can't really presume to judge which strain of thought in Islam is the one that is the "truer" version of their religion, and I don't really think it matters in any event if the more moderate schools of thought eventually prevail. As an outsider looking in, at the moment things look rather bleak for the moderates amoung them. Many of the moderate Muslims are quite reasonable people, though IMHO in many respects their religious system is one that only a Pharisee could love.

If you examine the teachings of the Islamists they look like about the closest thing the world has seen to the prophecies of Daniel and John since the days of Nero ... even down to the Beast and the False Prophet. They may very well be about to fulfill that role - with great danger to the rest of the world and to the everlasting shame of their coreligionists who did nothing to stop them.

1,041 posted on 09/19/2004 2:22:43 PM PDT by brucecw
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