[Smartaleck]

For those not familiar with the Note, it's sort of a synopsis of what various MSM are doing for the current day. Very informative and at time enlightening.....even if it is the MSM.

[LibFreeUSA]

-"At 8:00 pm ET Wednesday night, CBS News does the story . . .

at 8:59 ET — before the broadcast is finished!!! — the documents come into question via a poster named Buckhead on the Free Republic Web site"

PROBLEM IS..... it was NOT at "8:59 ET" before the broadcast is finished"

It was ACTUALLY at "11:59 ET" when Buckhead posted this. A full 3 HOURS AFTER the time the ABC report states. Note the "PDT" timeline post:

47 posted on 09/08/2004 8:59:43 PM PDT by Buckhead [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

[nutmeg]

BTTT

[southernnorthcarolina]

Long-time Dem pollster/strategist Pat Cadell, who has been showing signs of reasonableness of late, was just on Fox News utterly trashing the Kerry campaign. Says the "internals" are worse than the preference numbers, and that they are moving in Bush's direction rapidly.

Caddell appears genuinely mystified about Kerry's fixation on Vietnam, and says if his campaign doesn't change the focus quickly, the race could be "over" within a couple of weeks. Then, when the subject of the possibility of the "CBS" documents came up, Cadell said that if they do in fact turn out to be forged, Kerry is done.

Asked why he was being so hard on the Kerry campaign, Caddell responded that he [Caddell] was "trying to save his party by telling the truth."

[ruoflaw]

did CBS 60 minutes ever reveal the source of these papers?

[Core_Conservative]

1. Bush allegedly got special treatment 2. Bush allegedly was suspended for missing his medical exam 3. Bush allegedly didn't fulfill his requirements 4. Bush allegedly didn't release all the documents he said he'd release

1. If he did - so what - a lot of people in that era got "special treatment

2. That was going on a lot in that era also - if you didn't show up for your exam - you wouldn't be able to fly anymore - and if he was getting out, what's the big deal

3. If he didn't fulfill his requirements, he would not have gotten a discharge from service - he would have gotten a courts martial

4. He told them to release all the documents - in an organization like the military - documents are misplaced, misfiled all the time - heck even at major companies documents are lost or misplaced. An Komrade Kerry has not even requested that all his documents be released. (sour grapes?)

[Cboldt]

In fact, even if Kerry wins, there will be much talk about the discipline, focus, success, and, yes, shamelessness of the BC04RNC team:

Avoiding a nomination challenge; merciless distribution of message of the day; deflection of any serious discussion of the war in Iraq, health care, jobs, or the tax burden; installing a White House press secretary willing to use the podium for political purposes but not respond directly to any hard questions; making the race not about the incumbent's record but the challenger's, all the while claiming to want to focus on "the future"; and the wielding of national security as the ultimate political trump card.

Nope, no bias there. But I do agree, ABC's "The Note" is a good source of information. It was in "The Note" that teh comment regarding Kerry campaign attitude toward "Unfit for Command" was expressed -- "they [the media] want us to win, and the matter [Swiftees] will be taken care of."

[KC_Conspirator]

I think I am correct that Buckhead said this at 11:59 EST and not 8:59 EST as The Note claims.

[Loopy Picklefink]

Bump...this is great!

[Mogollon]

This is like the Abu Garieb porn-site pictures that the Boston Globe couldn't wait to publish.

[GOPcapitalist]

Ping for FR!

A Forgery Exposed:

[BlessedByLiberty]

Perhaps someone else covered this this morning, but I believe they pulled this stunt now because Kerry is pontificating to the National Guard next week; yes the same National Guard that he maligns as draft dodgers.

DNC obviously figured they had to damage President Bush's credibility with the NG and bingo mysterious docs surface! Hence we have a coordinated pack of lies and liars to confirm them to attack the President.

[Smartaleck]

Re-read "The Note" and thinking out loud about the tone and tenor.

There's a sense that the Kerry campaign is doomed.

The reporters are inclined to believe that CBS makes them all look bad (think, we're called liberal and biased.)

In an effort to save some sense of credibility perhaps we should change the tone of our stories......they're thinking.

Perhaps the media has, been forced into some self introspection? There's blood in the water and we need to go after it.....I.E.........Kerry is a loser, screwed us over and we need to recover.

At the very least it appears that the MSM has taken note of the power of the non MSM and they'll be more careful and perhaps less blatantly biased. We can hope.

The whole net is watching!!!!!!!!!

[Teacher317]

You almost have to feel sorry for See-BS. (Almost.) They have maybe a handful of lazy, over-paid, under-used, and biased 9-5 fact-checkers. We have, 24-7, tens of thousands of motivated, experienced, and knowledgeable volunteers who look into things as we please because we love to do it. The sluggish MSM is just now noticing the fact that we've been ahead of them for at least two years, now. Too bad they had to take notice because of declining ratings, declining revenues, and declining credibility. (Schadenfreude.)

Here's to hoping this is the future of news reporting! Faster, more accurate, more interactive, more diverse opinions, better citations, more humorous/entertaining, more accountable... while the idiot box can only hope for more idiots!

(Did you hear that, ABC?)

[dead]

Can a DU quote be nominated for the Freeper "Quote of the Day?" Just this once?

skypilot (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-09-04 10:46 AM

If they were forgeries... someone other than a dumbass freeper would have figured that out by now. Jesus, we are in the 21st century we don't need some goofy ass freeper to figure out if something is real or not. There are professionals out there that are very good at these things.

[Cboldt]

Limbaugh reporting that Dan Rather, in an interview (on the street) with CNN at about noon Eastern, stands by the story, the documents are authentic.

Meanwhile, Terry McAuliffe is, nearly at the same time, saying that CBS was set-up!

Amazing. Just amazing.

[shezza]

Dan Rather is STILL defending his piece, saying the story is true, the memos are authentic. Not "I believe" or "We still think" but "THE STORY IS TRUE. WE KNOW THE STORY IS TRUE." This as of about a half-hour ago (noonish ET), as every other network is exposing CBS's fraud. What a maroon! (He says the focus should not be on the documents, but what the documents say. Pfffft! Yeah, right.)

[Smartaleck]

Sorry I don't have the link right now....received this via e-mail from a friend.

From TAS: (The American Spectator)
Anatomy of a Forgery
By The Prowler

Published 9/10/2004 12:09:06 AM

More than six weeks ago, an opposition research staffer for the Democratic National Committee received documents purportedly written by President George W. Bush's Texas Air National Guard squadron commander, the late Col. Jerry Killian.

The oppo researcher claimed the source was "a retired military officer." According to a DNC staffer, the documents were seen by both senior staff members at the DNC, as well as the Kerry campaign.

"More than a couple people heard about the papers," says the DNC staffer. "I've heard that they ended up with the Kerry campaign, for them to decide to how to proceed, and presumably they were handed over to 60 Minutes, which used them the other night. But I know this much. When there was discussion here, there were doubts raised about their authenticity."

The concerns arose from the sourcing. "It wasn't clear that our source for the documents would have had access to them. Our person couldn't confirm from what file, from what original source they came from."

The documents that CBS News used were not documents from any of Bush's personnel files from his time in the National Guard. Rather, CBS News stated that they were documents uncovered in the personnel files of Killian. That would explain why the White House or the Pentagon had never before released or even seen them.

According to a Kerry campaign source, there was little gossip about the supposedly hot documents inside the office of the campaign on McPherson Square. "Those documents were not something anyone was talking about or trying to generate buzz on," says the staffer. "It wasn't like there were small groups of people talking about this as a bombshell. I think people here weren't sure what to make of it, because provenance of these documents was uncertain."

A CBS producer, who initially tipped off The Prowler about the 60 Minutes story, says that despite seeking professional assurances that the documents were legitimate, there was uncertainty even among the group of producers and researchers working on the story.

"The problem was we had one set of documents from Bush's file that had Killian calling Bush 'an exceptionally fine young officer and pilot.' And someone who Killian said 'performed in an outstanding manner.' Then you have these new documents and the tone and content are so different."

The CBS producer said that some alarms bells went off last week when the signatures and initials of Killian on the documents in hand did not match up with other documents available on the public record, but producers chose to move ahead with the story. "This was too hot not to push. If there were doubts, those people didn't show it," says the producer, who works on a rival CBS News program.

Now, the producer says, there is growing concern inside the building on 57th Street that they may have been suckered by the Kerry campaign. "There is a school of thought here that the Kerry people dumped this in our laps, figuring we'd do the heavy lifting on the story. That maybe they had doubts about these documents but hoped we'd get more information," says the producer. "If that's the case, then we're bigger fools than we already appear to be judging by all the chatter about how these documents could be forgeries."

ABC News' political unit held a conference call at 7:00 p.m. Thursday evening to discuss the memo and its potential ramifications should the documents turn out to be a forgery. That meeting took place around the time that the deceased Killian's son made public statements questioning the documents' authenticity.

According to one ABC News employee, some reporters believe that the Kerry campaign as well as the DNC were parties in duping CBS, but a smaller segment believe that both the DNC and the Kerry campaign were duped by Karl Rove, who would have engineered the flap to embarrass the opposition.

[christie]

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My money is on Kerry. He has a history of leaking, coercion, and lying.

Check out the John F. Kerry Timeline.

Here is one of the articles I have linked, which says a lot of Kerry's character or lack thereof: Kerry's Disloyal Nicaraguan Journey
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[wai-ming]

a lot of Democrats think this might have been a set-up" by Republicans

And if so, a lot of Democrats are admitting their own stupidity.

Do we really want people who can be easily duped by hoaxes running the country?

[Bigun]

Sorta looks as though Capt'n DAN the NEWS man kr*pped in his mess kit AGAIN doesn't it?