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Keyes: 'The victory is for God'
Chicago Sun Times ^ | August 22, 2004 | BY CATHLEEN FALSANI Religion Reporter

Posted on 08/22/2004 6:15:20 PM PDT by EternalVigilance

First impressions can be misleading.

Two weeks ago, a wild-eyed Alan Keyes stood in front of news cameras in a hot, crowded Arlington Heights banquet hall sweating profusely, yelling and shaking his fist as he enthusiastically accepted the Republican nomination to run for U.S. Senate in Illinois.

"I will promise you a battle like this nation has never seen," Keyes shouted with the passion of a preacher talking about spiritual combat with the forces of evil, thrusting his fist heavenward for emphasis. "The battle is for us, but I have confidence because the victory IS FOR GOD!"

A few days after he delivered the fiery speech that was replayed time and again on television newscasts across the nation, a decidedly different Alan Keyes is seated behind the desk of a spartan office in what was until recently the Jack Ryan for Senate headquarters on North Clinton in Chicago.

On this particular afternoon, the 54-year-old Maryland conservative, political pundit and two-time presidential hopeful is about to spend more than an hour, one-on-one with a reporter, in an interview about his personal faith.

He's in tie and shirtsleeves, leaning back casually in his chair. Two small, gold charms -- a crucifix and twin Ten Commandment tablets -- that usually dangle from a long gold chain are tucked into his breast pocket, the chain pulled across his chest at an angle giving him just the faintest air of a bishop.

"The boss and the rules," he'll quip later as he pulls the charms out of his pocket and allows them to fall on top of his silk tie.

Whether his mood is irascible or reflective, Keyes, a lifelong Roman Catholic, wears his faith on his sleeve as well as around his neck.

When asked to describe himself spiritually, Keyes is reasoned, sincerely thoughtful and significantly more reserved than that man behind the lectern on TV.

"Well, in the fullest sense, I describe myself as a Christian," he says. "I believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God, came amongst men in order to redeem us from original sin and to offer us a way to his father, which he offered us in his words and examples and exposed to us the truth: that God loves us as individuals and knows our weaknesses because Christ has experienced them.

"And therefore, with really infinite understanding and mercy, is ready to welcome us into his home if we are willing to turn around and accept his grace," he says.

How does he define what a Christian is?

"One of the essential characteristics of Christianity is that it is about faith. Christ often says, 'Your faith has saved you,' to people. And that means that your willingness to acknowledge in truth the authority of God and the mercy of God in the person of Jesus Christ, is the route to salvation," he says, without hesitation.

"We are transformed by our knowledge of Christ, and that's why there is going to be a manifestation in us of that change, which shows itself in the different way we start to relate to people."

Cradle Catholic

Born in a New York military hospital in 1950 while his father was serving in Korea, Keyes describes himself as an "Army brat." Along with his sister and three brothers, he was raised on military bases across the United States, and, for a time, in Italy.

His parents, Alison and Gerthina, both now deceased, were converts to Roman Catholicism.

Keyes says his first concept of what God is like is inextricably bound to Catholicism.

"My earliest idea that I remember was Jesus Christ, he was my idea of what God was like," he says. "When you grow up Catholic, I remember being encouraged to think of Jesus as your friend. Just a friend, like the friends you had on the playground, or in school. And I can remember that that was a part of my developing thought life when I was a child, having conversations with Jesus in my head, as if he were one of my playmates. . . . He was a child, just like me."

And now what does he think God is like?

"He's grown up," Keyes, who is married with three children, says, busting out in a belly laugh. "He's grown up. And I hope, I've grown up a bit. But I think that depth of it hasn't changed. We go through 'times.' We advance, we retreat, we struggle, we wrestle."

Keyes insists his faith has remained fairly constant throughout his life, though there were times when he says he felt more distant from his faith than he does today.

"I think the Bible is right [when] it says that you raise up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old, he will not depart from it," Keyes says, paraphrasing a passage from the 22nd chapter of the Biblical book of Proverbs. "That obviously implies -- doesn't it? -- a kind of gap. There's something in youth that somehow implies that people do depart from it a little bit. But if you raise them in the way they should go, then the roots take over again. And one returns."

When he was a doctoral student in the late 1970s at Harvard working on his dissertation about constitutional theory, Keyes says, he struggled a bit spiritually.

"When you're a graduate student, you go through your ups and downs and sometimes you hit really great lows. Some people, as a result of that, give up and they never reach their degree," he recalls. "At a moment of crisis for me -- I'll never forget -- I was feeling just that low, sort of thinking, 'I've been working at it and I'm never going to finish and it's just hopeless.'

"I called my mom, and that conversation, in which she really did nothing but listen to me and remind me that I'd gotten through different things in my life through faith -- sparked an experience I still remember," he says, his voice breaking with emotion. "And it transformed my sense of what my faith meant to me."

He received his Ph.D. in government from Harvard in 1979. He also earned his undergraduate degree from Harvard in 1972.

Keyes describes a mild crisis of faith that had grown alongside his intellectual pursuits.

"In American academics, it's difficult to be a person of faith. There's a certain kind of patronizing, a sense of, 'Oh, you'll grow out of it,' " he says.

"So you begin to push your faith into the background, and maybe not really want to show it and so forth and so on. You start to doubt whether or not you are being intellectually honest if you are relying on premises of faith."

It's a conundrum Keyes seems to have resolved with a vengeance.

The word became flesh

Keyes would never make himself out to be some sort of Biblical scholar, but when it comes to Scripture, he knows what he's talking about.

He reads Greek -- he travels with a laptop loaded with Bible software, including a copy of the Septuagint, the Greek version of Hebrew Scriptures -- and can wax eloquent at length about the etymology of certain words and how they correspond to theological principles.

"I try to read or think about some element of the Bible every day," he says, leaning back in his office chair, and propping his feet up on the desk.

When asked what portion of the Bible he most enjoys reading, he says, without hesitation, "Genesis."

"I often tell people that my greatest problem in the Bible is that in any serious way I've never been able to get past Genesis," he says, chuckling. "Now, I have read the whole Bible and I read other books, but what I mean is the book that I keep going back to over and over again is Genesis.

"For the longest time, I was really going back over and over again, thinking and writing about, the creation myths, because it seemed to me that there's an enormous depth of kind of philosophical implication," he says.

In addition to his Biblical studies, Keyes is a philosophy buff.

"People will think this is strange I suppose, but . . . there are books like Kant's Critique of Pure Reason and Hegel's Logic and things like that, and every once in a while I get hit by this mood and I have to wrestle with these books that are very abstract and that are kind of philosophy in the viewless realms where you are really dealing with concepts that have no corresponding material images or anything to go along with it," he says, excitedly. "You just have to go with pure concepts to think about things. And I think, in the sense of that kind of philosophical thinking, meditation and reasoning, Genesis is an enormously powerful experience."

This launches Keyes into a 20-minute discussion of what he describes as his latest "breakthrough" in examining a portion of Biblical text.

Specifically, the candidate says for four or five months he had been reading, re-reading and picking apart several dozen verses from the 4th, 5th and 6th chapters of Genesis, beginning with one of those "begat" passages.

So and so, son of so and so, begat so and so, father of so and so, who begat.. ..

These particular begat passages start with a descendant of Cain, the son of Adam and Eve who murders his brother Abel, and end with Noah -- the fellow with the ark.

With an almost childlike enthusiasm, Keyes recounts how he traced the lineage of Noah and the descendants of Cain, examined the ancient roots of certain words, and learned, according to his interpretation, that God's covenant with Noah after the flood included the institution of capital punishment for the first time.

"It's fascinating, don't you think?" Keyes asks, smiling broadly, when he's concluded an exegesis of the text that, at least in its methodology, would give any seminary professor or preacher a serious run for his money.

A boundless sorrow

Keyes could be a preacher, a Biblical scholar, or professional apologist for Christ. But instead, he's chosen to enter the secular political realm.

Why choose a field that can so often obfuscate faith?

It's a question, apparently, that moves Keyes to tears.

His eyes turn red, he stops talking for several minutes, stares at the ceiling, drums his fingers on the desk, and apologizes for his loss of composure.

After several attempts to begin speaking, only to have his voice crack with emotion, Keyes tries again to explain what he's feeling.

"I'm sorry, I'm getting a grip," he says, eyes red with tears. "When I was young, I encountered a problem, I guess. A challenge. And I guess it was an encounter that disillusioned me, yes, in the literal sense. And that was my first encounter with the reality -- intellectually and emotionally . . ." he pauses again, his voice trailing off for a few moments. " . . . Of what the slave experience meant to my ancestors. And I think I've been working that out ever since.''

When pressed to explain just what this "encounter" was, Keyes reveals that it was, in fact, an intellectual incident.

When he was about 15, he read Lerone Bennett's book Before the Mayflower: A History of the Negro in America, 1619-1964. And it broke his heart, he says.

"It's sorrow," he says, explaining why 40 years later he's still so emotional about something he read as a teenager. "It's not a sorrow for yourself, it's not a sorrow for individuals, it's a sorrow for the reality of our kind of sad experience . . . of life without God."

And it's that sorrow and outrage that in part has led him into politics, Keyes says.

"It's a problem of justice and to understand it and resolve it somehow is not an intellectual exercise. You have to meet the challenge of it in your own time and life. And at some level, that's what politics remains at its heart, in America," he explains.

"It's impossible to be a Christian and really live out your relationship with God apart from life and action," he says. "And that action requires that you kind of be aware of and sensitive to how in fact the injustice that was involved in slavery is like one of those difficult plants where you cut off what appears on the surface but the root is still there. And it springs up again in another place, in what seems like another form, but it is the same evil. It's the same root."

Christus victor?

So, what did he mean, exactly, back at that podium in Arlington Heights, when he exclaimed that "the victory is for God"?

Was he saying God is on his side -- the side of the righteous -- and not on that of his Democratic opponent, Barack Obama, a man who professes the same Christian faith?

"Well, professing is the operative word," Keyes says, in a moment of snarkiness conspicuously absent from the rest of the interview.

"I thought it was pretty clear. Maybe it wasn't," he says, reflecting on his acceptance speech a few days earlier. "What I meant by it was the victory is in God's hands for his will and decision. That's why I couldn't promise it to people. I might lose. I don't know. None of us knows.

"The notion that you can stand there and say, 'Rah! We're gonna win!' I know you're supposed to do that, but I find it very difficult to say stuff that I know, even if it's rhetorical, is not true," he says.

Keyes is puzzled by the idea that some people would be afraid of the notion of "God on our side."

"I rather want people to think God is on their side, because that means they know he's watching them, and that his rules still apply to what they do," he says, smiling. "I hope that's the result."

"I often tell people that my greatest problem in the Bible is that in any serious way I've never been able to get past Genesis. Now, I have read the whole Bible and I read other books, but what I mean is the book I keep going back to over and over again is Genesis."

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TOPICS: Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: keyes; thengodmustbealoser
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To: A Citizen Reporter

We will not have the "reagan" unity of the party, until the bitter followers of keyes AND buchanan either leave for good, or repent their harsh words towards our President...


441 posted on 08/23/2004 10:07:08 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: Robert_Paulson2

I wish they could learn to say "I am sorry, I was wrong.."
It's actually quite easy.


442 posted on 08/23/2004 10:08:14 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
It looks like the troll got smit!

Good work.

443 posted on 08/23/2004 10:08:47 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Robert_Paulson2
What's very interesting about reading Reagan's autobiography now, is to see how politics have changed in the last 20 years.

Reagan explains the way he had to deal with the democrats, but he also gets his subtle shots in about those in his own administration who he had to deal with.

I've had a few chuckles about the things he has to say about Alexander Haig's ego problem.

444 posted on 08/23/2004 10:13:19 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter ("It's the Hypocrisy, Stupid,")
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To: nopardons

I said,any times,that I AM attempting to get Conservatives and GOPers to vote for Keyes.



guess what? I DON'T BELIEVE YOU DID THAT AT ALL!

NOPARDONS WORKING FOR KEYES IS LIKE MICHEAL MOORE WORKING FOR PRESIDENT BUSH.


445 posted on 08/23/2004 10:39:56 PM PDT by TomasUSMC
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To: TomasUSMC
It's part of get out the vote for the president.

But that's okay,you really don't have to believe me.Facts bother you far too much,so pleased do just keep on ignoring them.

446 posted on 08/23/2004 10:42:54 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Central Scrutiniser; Jorge; nopardons; Bluntpoint; Luis Gonzalez; Robert_Paulson2; ...
I'm not going anywhere, boys and girls. Neither are the majority of FReepers, who have a strong affinity and respect for Alan Keyes.

You can nip at our heels like Boston Terriers as long as you are tolerated here. But do you so devalue your time? It is hardly accomplishing anything --anything good, anyway.

I don't care very much for many Republicans running for Senate. Neither do most of us. Do you see us harrassing their supporters? Maybe you would like to look to New England Republican Senators. I prefer Alan Keyes.

If you put crabs into a bucket, some might be able to get up and out, but the ones behind them claw onto them and they all get stuck. I'll prefer not to be a crab.

Be that irrational, if you prefer, but you are not doing well in this site. You remind me of the more obsessed people in FR who harass those who want to keep the more resonable of our laws against drugs, and those who rail against belief in a Creator. You seem unable to quit. That's very unfortunate, when you insist on trying to drag down our legitimate conservative leaders (Keyes, or even Buchanon, who was just mentioned).

Know this. In two weeks the Keyes campaign has gained 6,000 volunteers and we are only beginning. Keyes is inspiring a movement which is bound to reform politics in Illinois, something sorely needed. If you live here, join in. If you don't, please pay attention to something in someplace that you know about.

Here, I'll give you more to bicker about, if you need, though. I'll ping the admin mod and Jim, too --for their encoragement in Fresno: You did well when you Zotted those others. I think some of these may be able to learn when they rise to their level of incompetence.

If I catch them going overboard in harassing the Illinois Keyes volunteers I know of in FR, distracting them and wasting their time, I will won't mind being called childish names, from doing what may be done to free them up. Volunteers' time is precious. We're telling them not to bother so much with the crabs --especially those from outside Illinois, though at times it seems "necessary, for the record."

447 posted on 08/23/2004 10:43:02 PM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Darn Luis, I wasn't even talking about this one. I was referred to the troll on the other two threads that got zotted around the same time I guess.

I didn't even know about this...departure.

448 posted on 08/23/2004 10:47:29 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: unspun
That's a threat and you don't have the power to ZOT anyone.

I've been making calls FOR Keyes,so I guess YOU are "wasting " my time.Think about that.:-)

And IF your times is that valuable,`what are you doing here for so many hours?

449 posted on 08/23/2004 10:50:06 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: unspun

"I don't care very much for many Republicans running for Senate."



spoken like a "true" anti-republican.

priceless.


450 posted on 08/23/2004 10:52:25 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: CWOJackson; Central Scrutiniser; Luis Gonzalez

see 447 above.


451 posted on 08/23/2004 10:53:58 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: unspun
"If you live here, join in."

Do you live in Illinois?

452 posted on 08/23/2004 10:55:07 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter ("It's the Hypocrisy, Stupid,")
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To: EternalVigilance
I just wanted you to know, my comments in post 443 were in reference to a person on two other threads who was an obvious troll and who apparently left around the same time as you.

I didn't not intend to imply that you were a troll, and I was not following this thread so I do not know what specifically lead to your departure and will not comment on it.

Having discussed this issue with you only briefly I recognize and understand the zeal and passion you bring to this issue. I wish you luck and perhaps we'll see you around again.

453 posted on 08/23/2004 10:57:36 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Too unspun for me.

The issue of life is a passionate one. I really do hate seeing it come to this.

454 posted on 08/23/2004 10:59:11 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson

You have a lot of class.


455 posted on 08/23/2004 10:59:45 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: unspun
"I don't care very much for many Republicans running for Senate. Neither do most of us. Do you see us harrassing their supporters?"

Um, there are quite few things I could take issue with in the way the "we" and the "they" is used in that statement. But I'll leave it at this, how many Republicans running for the Senate have an article they wrote entitled, "I am not a BUSH Republican"?

456 posted on 08/23/2004 11:01:08 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter ("It's the Hypocrisy, Stupid,")
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To: Robert_Paulson2

I came into the Republican party because of Reagan and his stand on the sanctity of human life.

It shouldn't be amazing that many who are black will not walk lockstep just for the sake of the party. We did that under the democrats. Keyes learned under the best in working for Reagan. But he is his own man with his own ideas and should be given an opportunity to speak concerning the issues. And not be judged by the hand of other writers who have an agenda or two.

From what I've heard Nancy Reagan is no Bush Republican either but she has changed her stance on many issues dear to her to support President Bush.

It really isn't difficult to see that Keyes was speaking of blood being paid in full for the life of those enslaved. He went further in saying there should have been an economic repayment for the labor which was taxed 100%. It's unfortunate that the only one that can fully open dialogue and have some legitimacy in discussing this with those professors and lawyers and congressmen is being browbeaten for having an opinion concerning reparations.

Many really can't see a gifthorse when he's right in front of you.


457 posted on 08/23/2004 11:19:45 PM PDT by swheats
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To: ikka

>Is Obama pro-abortion? Pro-taxandspend? Pro-gungrabbing?

Obama is all of these things. And it makes me question is credentials as a "conservative". It also makes me question the credentials of some of the self professed conservatives on here who would rather see him elected than Keyes.

Gentlemen, the shoe is on the other foot. All of you who browbeat social conservatives to vote for (R)nold had best shut up and cast your vote for Obama lest you surpass the Democrats as the paragons of hypocrisy in modern American politics.


458 posted on 08/23/2004 11:25:35 PM PDT by applemac_g4
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To: swheats
"From what I've heard Nancy Reagan is no Bush Republican either but she has changed her stance on many issues dear to her to support President Bush."

That is a slanderous lie. I hope you don't work for the major media.

459 posted on 08/23/2004 11:29:33 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter ("It's the Hypocrisy, Stupid,")
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To: A Citizen Reporter

Not at all, private citizen. Tell me what a Bush Republican is then, someone who walks lockstep with President Bush on every subject. I can tell you now there is one issue that bothers me quick--Israel policy when he speaks of Israel not responding when attacked. I will still vote for the President and try to get others to do the same.

One issue in particular, I read Nancy wanted embryonic stem cell research to go forward? She waited awhile before giving her full support. There was this big writeup that she finally gave her endorsement to president Bush.

So what's slanderous about it?


460 posted on 08/23/2004 11:41:02 PM PDT by swheats
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