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U.S., Mexico say border breaches may be tied to terror activity
Dallas Morning News ^ | Aug. 17, 2004 | RICARDO SANDOVAL

Posted on 08/17/2004 11:24:39 PM PDT by yonif

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Terrorists have probably already entered the US through these non-secured borders. They may be waiting in time for a planned wave of suicide bombings, etc. or trying to establish terror cells in the US, probably with the aid of militant Muslims. Nonetheless, not only should the US quickly save what is left of its borders, it must prepare, even if this news was not around, for domestic terrorism on the likes of bombings on busses, cinemas, colleges and other places. In addition to training its security forces in intercepting AS WELL as responding to the terror attacks, it must make the American population informed and vigilant, both on what to do during a terror attack or what to do with vigilance in order to prevent one (for example, bus drivers should search their busses at the beginning and end of their shift for any suspicious items). It is only through this that lives will be sparred both during a terror attack and in the confusion after one. The US government needs to act now, and learn from the experience of others not just from its own.
1 posted on 08/17/2004 11:24:39 PM PDT by yonif
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I imagine a bribe to Mexican Officials is not outside the realm of real possibilities....heck they might have even gotten an armed escort into the U.S.


2 posted on 08/17/2004 11:27:12 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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Should be easy to fix this problem. Just offer cash rewards to Mexican citizens that see or know of Middle Eastern people crossing the border form Mexico to the US. If that does not work, just offer them citizenship.


3 posted on 08/17/2004 11:32:22 PM PDT by Mike1973
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4 posted on 08/17/2004 11:33:08 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: yonif

Terrorists have probably already entered the US through these non-secured borders. They may be waiting in time for a planned wave of suicide bombings, etc. or trying to establish terror cells in the US, probably with the aid of militant Muslims.

Sorry, but I just don't think there is any "probably" about it. Like I posted in another thread recently, if 1/100th of one percent of the illegals crossing were terrorists, we're likely to have THOUSANDS of them here with valid Mexican ID cards and safe passage already completed to the US. We're spending BILLIONS on Homeland Security and leaving the barn door wide open to terrorists. These savages will use every opportunity that we give them to get to us.


5 posted on 08/17/2004 11:40:45 PM PDT by conshack
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The US government will regret trusting Mexico to help protect us. Its very obvious, They cannot even keep their own people from entering this country (Yea, they really want to do that) illegally... How the hell are they gonna stop terrorists?


6 posted on 08/17/2004 11:55:01 PM PDT by SealSeven
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Ya think? or as my teen ager says..."DUH!!" Man when are we gonna close these borders and throw out ALL who are here illegally? yeah I know maybe when hell freezes over


7 posted on 08/18/2004 12:06:54 AM PDT by jnarcus
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Today in McAllen the BP arrested 22 Chinese smuggled from Mexico. If Mexico can't detect Chinese in their country, how do we expect them to detect MEs????


8 posted on 08/18/2004 12:11:17 AM PDT by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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" if 1/100th of one percent of the illegals crossing were terrorists, we're likely to have THOUSANDS of them here with valid Mexican ID cards"

But the fact is that there is no evidence of any terrorists illegally crossing the Southern border. Neither the Congressional intelligence committees, the 9/11 Commission, the FBI, Homeland Defense, INS or any of the leaders of the Republican and Democrat parties have expressed any dissatisfaction with our Southern border security. Calls for diligence in border security are not any different than calls for diligence in urban areas; and certainly aren't reasons for hysterical panic.

They are privy to information that you are not. You do not know how many undercover agents and paid informants we have in Mexico. You do not know what electronic surveillance resources are dedicated to the Southern border.

Don't assume that just because we don't waste resources apprehending everyone who comes here to work at our dirtiest and lowest paying jobs that we aren't effectively preventing Muslim terrorists from entering.

9 posted on 08/18/2004 12:13:44 AM PDT by bayourod (I resent Kerry telling me that his values, not mine are the only true American values.)
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To: yonif

Bump.

I'm glad this is in the news as hopefully it'll knock some common sense into certain people.


10 posted on 08/18/2004 12:16:27 AM PDT by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: bayourod

you better go back and read the 9/11 report again....still need cheap labor eh?


11 posted on 08/18/2004 12:22:13 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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Still using national security to hide your dislike of Mexican immigrants?


12 posted on 08/18/2004 12:24:41 AM PDT by bayourod (I resent Kerry telling me that his values, not mine are the only true American values.)
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To: bayourod

I have no problenm with legal immigrants from Mexico.


13 posted on 08/18/2004 12:27:19 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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Kean said that strengthening border security is as vital as organizational changes, but would have significantly more costs -- and possibly be less attractive for Congress to take up.

http://grumet.net/911/recommendations.html

The U.S. border security system should be integrated into a larger network of screening points that includes our transportation system and access to vital facilities, such as nuclear reactors. The President should direct the Department of Homeland Security to lead the effort to design a comprehensive screening system, addressing common problems and setting common standards with systemwide goals in mind. Extending those standards among other governments could dramatically strengthen America and the world's collective ability to intercept individuals who pose catastrophic threats.
Document Page Number: 387, PDF Page Number: 405, View in context: page, section, chapter


The Department of Homeland Security, properly supported by the Congress, should complete, as quickly as possible, a biometric entry-exit screening system, including a single system for speeding qualified travelers. It should be integrated with the system that provides benefits to foreigners seeking to stay in the United States. Linking biometric passports to good data systems and decisionmaking is a fundamental goal. No one can hide his or her debt by acquiring a credit card with a slightly different name. Yet today, a terrorist can defeat the link to electronic records by tossing away an old passport and slightly altering the name in the new one.


14 posted on 08/18/2004 12:34:34 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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"I have no problenm with legal immigrants from Mexico."

Then you should support the President's reform proposals.

I don't see anything in the 9/11 Commission report about thousands of terrorists pouring across the Southern border. All of their recommendations pertain to legal border crossing points and airports. There is no recommendation to build a great wall on the border, or bring in the army to patrol, or even increase the number of border patrols.

On the Northern border we have one guard for every 13.5 miles. On the Southern border we have five guards for every mile.

15 posted on 08/18/2004 1:01:05 AM PDT by bayourod (I resent Kerry telling me that his values, not mine are the only true American values.)
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They are privy to information that you are not. You do not know how many undercover agents and paid informants we have in Mexico. You do not know what electronic surveillance resources are dedicated to the Southern border.

Don't assume that just because we don't waste resources apprehending everyone who comes here to work at our dirtiest and lowest paying jobs that we aren't effectively preventing Muslim terrorists from entering.

Sorry pal, but the human smuggling operators in Mexico are sophisticated. The BP is severly undermanned, let alone have hundreds of guys out in the desert looking for guys dressed like ME's. Tell me, would you be able to distinguish an Middle Easterner from a Mexican. I lived in Saudi Arabia for a year and couldn't confidentually tell you that I could. I am extremely confident that you won't be so optimistic 24 hours after a multi-city attack and it is determined that 2-3,000 ME's are here and making your USA a scarier place than you could have ever envisioned.
God, in this one, I'd love to be able to come back here in 6 mos, a year, or 2 or 5 and say that I was wrong, but don't think mthat will happen.


16 posted on 08/18/2004 1:45:41 AM PDT by conshack
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Still using national security to hide your dislike of Mexican immigrants?

Still spewing your racist BS?

17 posted on 08/18/2004 1:50:10 AM PDT by usadave
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Don't forget how many times the Mexican government has helped America in time of war.
NEVER, but they do help their people and others in CRIMINALY INVADING our Country.


18 posted on 08/18/2004 2:19:36 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (GEORGE WASHINGTON is nothing like a communist tyrant as stated by Kerry.)
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We're screwed.


19 posted on 08/18/2004 3:59:28 AM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm (• Veni • Vidi • Vino • Visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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George Bush is horrible on the border. There needs to be 100,000 troops on the border. See here's where people are wong. People are saying, Bush doesn't want to put the military on the border not offend the hispanics. He wants there vote. But the problem with this argument. Say Bush wins the Presidency in November. After he wins, he has no more elections to worry about. He still wont put troops on the border. He doesn't need the spanish vote anymore, cause he's done with elections. But even with that, he still wont put troops on the border.


20 posted on 08/18/2004 4:03:06 AM PDT by Lori675
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