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Scouting jetliners for new attacks
The Washington Times ^ | Audrey Hudson

Posted on 07/22/2004 6:56:18 AM PDT by Amerimom2

Flight crews and air marshals say Middle Eastern men are staking out airports, probing security measures and conducting test runs aboard airplanes for a terrorist attack. At least two midflight incidents have involved numerous men of Middle Eastern descent behaving in what one pilot called "stereotypical" behavior of an organized attempt to attack a plane.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airlinesecurity
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To: Spottys Spurs

If someone were to punch one of these guys in the face, the plane would have to be landed, right? So you might go to jail, but you might save a planeload of people too. Or do they not automatically land when there is a scuffle?


141 posted on 07/22/2004 6:08:39 PM PDT by jwalburg (Hatriots for Kerry)
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To: reagan_fanatic

"...make them harder to spot."

Let them dress like ordinary people - kahki, denim, shorts or whatever - dress like we do when we travel, and many of us dress casually when we don't have to get off the plane and immediately go into a business meeting.


142 posted on 07/22/2004 6:17:11 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: Amerimom2

bttt


143 posted on 07/22/2004 6:18:19 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: PersonalLiberties

Snopes also has John Kerry's purple hearts as real.


144 posted on 07/22/2004 6:18:34 PM PDT by jwalburg (Hatriots for Kerry)
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To: Amerimom2

It is high time that we screw PC and start looking for terrorists among the people who look like the terrorists who have already attacked us...Middle Eastern males! Every ME male boarding a flight should be openly scrutinized. More than two on a flight should get them all bumped. Unusual activity aboard a flight like that described in these accounts should get them arrested, incarcerated, deported or whatever is appropriate to the circumstances.

If they are behaving suspiciously in public, along highways, near potential targets, etc, they should be arrested etc. The only way we can keep this a free country for the rest of us is to make it not a free country for those who seek to end our freedoms by imposing their islomofeces on the rest of us.


145 posted on 07/22/2004 6:25:31 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: camas

"CIA, by law, can not work inside US borders."

Change the law...foreign terrorists (islamofacist murderers) are working inside US borders...


146 posted on 07/22/2004 6:34:01 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

The CIA doesn't need to work inside our borders. It's the FBI's job. Now, getting these people to work together is the real problem and until we stop seeing these petty turf wars and politicking the problems (and finger pointing) continues.


147 posted on 07/22/2004 6:40:04 PM PDT by misterrob
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To: Sender

"...don't worry about little holes."

Bob Kerrey has a word for the holes to worry about, or deal with - @$$holes. In this case, Middle Eastern @$$holes that poop islamofeces. It is time to make them deficate on our terms - scare it out of them with a well placed round.


148 posted on 07/22/2004 6:40:28 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: Modernman

They were a legit band that just wanted to have some fun playing lets scare the infidels. Thats why when i pass a muslim on the street I make sure they know that in America THEY are the dhimmis!!!!


149 posted on 07/22/2004 6:40:39 PM PDT by Coroner
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To: tahiti

i have lurked here for years, for the most part...your's is the first post I've seen that would agree with my asseertion that 911 was a Second Ammendment failure......


150 posted on 07/22/2004 6:44:05 PM PDT by mo
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To: B4Ranch
Never go down without the best fight you can pull out of your brain.

Absolutely.

And it's one tactic you can practice without leaving your chair.

151 posted on 07/22/2004 6:48:23 PM PDT by glock rocks (will you tell me a story?)
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To: PersonalLiberties
Snopes.com has the Jacobson story as false.

Not the story, which it confirms, but rather the interpretation.

Snopes.com (Urban Legends debunking site) says:

Origins: The "Terror in the Skies, Again?" article written by Annie Jacobsen and published on WomensWallStreet.com, in which she details her experience with passengers (whom she viewed as terrorists) on a 29 June 2004 flight from Detroit to Los Angeles, caused quite a stir, to say the least. That article contained a good deal of supposition, and a follow-up article, identified as an "Opinion Piece," didn't offer much to validate author's assumptions.

As things turned out, although the events Ms. Jacobsen claims to have witnessed on her flight did occur (more or less), her interpretation of them (that they involved a group of terrrorists making a dry run for building a bomb in-flight) was erroneous. The men she observed on her flight were exactly what authorities told her they were: a group of Syrian musicians who had been hired to play at the Sycuan Casino & Resort near San Diego. Like any other group of passengers, the men in musical ensemble talked to each other, moved around, ate food, and used the restrooms while the flight was in progress.

A number of writers have thoroughly analyzed Ms. Jacobsen's article, trying to separate fact from supposition (and, perhaps, fact from fiction), and we really don't have anything to add that hasn't already been said by someone else. A few of the many available resources we'd recommend reading on this topic are:

The National Observer: "The Syrian Wayne Newton."

Salon.com: "The Hysterical Skies"

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/skyterror.asp

Snopes goes too far in calling Jacobson's interpretation false.

A cover story of "musicians" seems easy enough to accomplish. Even to the point of hiring real musicians to double as terrorists.

Jacobson has a plausible interpretation, and Snopes doesn't dispute her narrative of what happened in a single particular.

152 posted on 07/22/2004 6:53:21 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: ChocChipCookie

"...maybe a law should be passed requiring airlines to provide a prayer room..."

Give them the same rights to public expression that Christians have in Saudi Arabia or Iran.


153 posted on 07/22/2004 6:56:40 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: All

bttt


154 posted on 07/22/2004 8:32:50 PM PDT by John W
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To: Amerimom2
"It's a probe. They are probing us," said a second air marshal, who confirmed that Middle Eastern men try to flush out marshals by rushing the cockpit and stopping suddenly.

this has been my worry for some period of time ... after they draw out an air marshal, they'd try to get the gun ...

if they're doing this to just clown around, then they're playing a dangerous game ... which makes me doubt they'd do it for kicks ... this can also be a diversionary tactic ...

it would seem prudent to board extra undercover air marshals, when possible, when these numbers appear to congregate or show up for a particular flight ... I would imagine they'd still target the flights with fewer passengers to minimize resistance ...
155 posted on 07/22/2004 9:10:21 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: civil discourse

A friend of mine used to be a minor-league pitcher. Everytime he flies he brings his 'Abdullah ball'. Just a regular baseball.

But since he can throw it close to 90mph and easily hit a terrorist in the head with it, it becomes an effective weapon. Well for at least against one terrorist anyway.


156 posted on 07/22/2004 9:20:50 PM PDT by Betis70
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To: secretagent

I agree. Thanks for posting the info. But at the top, in read, it says "False". I did read the story and think they came out pretty hard against her. In the post I mentioned this I was pointing out that the public cannot rely upon the media or the govt. for information (you can also look at poster Don Joe's profile for a Hitchesn story that confirms the media and govt will look out for themselves). I am shocked :-)

I just don't want people to be lulled into thinking that they can reply upon the media or govt to keep them vigilant. This is the responsibility of the citizen.


157 posted on 07/23/2004 4:10:54 AM PDT by PersonalLiberties (An honest politician is one who, when he's bought, stays bought. -Simon Cameron, political boss)
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To: Amerimom2

Unfortunately, since "profiling" of Arab men carrying bags onto airliners is prohibited by Congressional Liberals, we can expect another 9-11 in the near future.


159 posted on 07/23/2004 7:27:11 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: civil discourse

I thought of a couple more in this AM. A roll of quarters and a sock would make an effective blackjack, and golf balls would be easier to throw in a tight cabin than a baseball--you can take more of them and pass to other passengers. All would be easily explainable, especially if the golf balls are still in their sleeve.

I'll be traveling to the east coast the weekend of Sept 10-14, so I definitely will be as prepared as possible.

Boy Scouts taught me well.


160 posted on 07/23/2004 9:01:57 AM PDT by Betis70
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