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S.F. OKs ballot measure allowing non-citizens the right to vote
The Kansas City Star/Knight Ridder ^ | JESSIE MANGALIMAN

Posted on 07/21/2004 11:14:44 AM PDT by Smogger

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To: Regulator
The Communists know, and they are well on their way to the implementation of outcome, ably aided and abetted by the leadership of the Republican Party,

Hard to believe you could turn what these Democrat morons in SF are doing into a bash on Republicans.

In order to govern one must first be elected, we must choose our elected officials from who's on the ballot.

61 posted on 07/21/2004 1:16:20 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Part of the Reagan legacy is to re-elect G.W. Bush))
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To: Smogger
A huge part of our high property taxes support the schools. I wonder how many illegal aliens pay property tax? Zilch.

governor@governor.ca.gov

62 posted on 07/21/2004 1:18:57 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: Smogger

I think it's time we stepped up our research on how to launch an entire city into space.


63 posted on 07/21/2004 1:21:27 PM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: RSmithOpt
to allow non-citizens to vote in local school board elections

Since property taxes fund schools, how about restricting school board elections to those who own property. GASP!

64 posted on 07/21/2004 1:26:19 PM PDT by rhombus
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To: DoughtyOne
Well I've been told by a number of people here that illegal immigration is no problem at all. Let's there those 'dear folks' explain this one away.

You snatched those words right from my finger tips. Do you think the Happy Talkers are getting it NOW??

65 posted on 07/21/2004 1:40:03 PM PDT by truthkeeper (Will the last American leaving Southern California please take the flag?)
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To: gubamyster

Quick, someone call someone a racist.


66 posted on 07/21/2004 1:42:35 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Conspiracy Guy
Why don't they send absentee ballots to the world. The world has a right to vote in SF.

Exactly. I think I will request a ballot. I feel disenfranchised in the decision-making too. I feel like voicing my opinion too. So what that I don't live in California? By their standards I should be able to vote too.

67 posted on 07/21/2004 2:16:01 PM PDT by Lurking in Kansas ("There are two Americas, unfortunately for Edwards, neither one voted for him." Conan O'Brien)
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To: MissAmericanPie
Quick, someone call someone a racist.

You’re a racist.!

Feel better? Glad to oblige. ;-)

68 posted on 07/21/2004 2:18:31 PM PDT by Lurking in Kansas ("There are two Americas, unfortunately for Edwards, neither one voted for him." Conan O'Brien)
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To: Lurking in Kansas

I'm with you on this. I want to vote everywhere.


69 posted on 07/21/2004 2:19:13 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Sir Guy de la Conspiracie, kuh-nigget extraordinaire. RKBA & Insane Clown Posse since 7/04)
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To: Mister Baredog
Hard to believe you could turn what these Democrat morons in SF are doing into a bash on Republicans

The Republican Party currently has the House, the Senate, and the Presidency. Republican agency heads are in all of the major departments of the Executive, including BICE. There is a "Republican" governor in California, through no major effort of his own, or the California Republican Party, but rather the efforts of ordinary citizens who handed them the opportunity on a platter.

There has not only been no extraordinary effort to stop illegal immigration or to enforce the deportation laws, there hasn't been even an ordinary effort. On the contrary, there has been willful, scheming malfeasance, coupled with routine and endless versions of amnesty being pushed on the Congress and a de facto amnesty since less than 1% of the illegals in this country are deported.

One can only conclude that the Republican Party is not only uninterested in enforcing the immigration laws, but is rather openly on a path of subverting them initially and abolishing them as a goal.

If you have any facts and figures by which you can dispute any of what I've said, please post. I'd love to see them.

There would be no political momentum for this initiative in San Francsico if there were no illegals there. And there would be no illegals there if immigration enforcement were real. And the people who are not enforcing the immigration laws are currently....the Republicans, who control the Federal government at this point. The logic is rather inescapable.

70 posted on 07/21/2004 2:20:50 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: Smogger

The federal government should go in and declare martial law.If those knotheads vote to allow that then NO VOTES should BE COUNTED in the national election.


71 posted on 07/21/2004 2:29:06 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: Smogger
There's more to this story...another city official, maybe another supervisor, I can't exactly remember, thinks this initiative doesn't go far enough. She wants all non-citizens to be able to vote in school board elections, regardless of whether they even have kids in school.

Also, Matt Gonzalez isn't even seeking reelection. He won't even be around to catch the heat.

72 posted on 07/21/2004 2:33:15 PM PDT by GSWarrior (The feel-good tagline of the summer!)
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To: Smogger
STOPPPPP!

This goes well beyond 'State's Rights'. If Bush needs to issue an Executive Order to call a halt to this ignorance; then please, Mr. President, do it.

73 posted on 07/21/2004 2:37:26 PM PDT by cricket (The starting point for Liberals is the lie. . .)
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To: OPS4
Arnold is in full favor of this kind of tripe. when he signs sb1160 into law next month, that will be a rude awakeneing for all of his mesmerized fans. I hate to say this, but I am almost looking forward to it. they are going to be so confused and bewildered ''why did Arnie betray us! how could he??!?'' lol
74 posted on 07/21/2004 2:39:45 PM PDT by MindFire
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To: Regulator

brilliant reply; very well said. you're 100% right.


75 posted on 07/21/2004 2:42:01 PM PDT by MindFire
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To: Lurking in Kansas

hehehe


76 posted on 07/21/2004 2:50:44 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Smogger




MEXICO CONSTITUTION
Chapter III

Foreigners

Article 33. Foreigners are those who do not possess the qualifications set forth in Article 30. They are entitled to the guarantees granted by Chapter I, Title I, of the present Constitution; but the Federal Executive shall have the exclusive power to compel any foreigner whose remaining he may deem inexpedient to abandon the national territory immediately and without the necessity of previous legal action.

FOREIGNERS MAY NOT IN ANY WAY PARTICIPATE IN THE POLITICAL AFFAIRS OF THE COUNTRY.




U.S. CONSTUTUTION


Article IV

Section 1. Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.

Section 2. The CITIZENS OF EACH STATE SHALL BE ENTITLED TO ALL PRIVILEGES and immunities
of citizens in the several states.

Amendment XIV

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States,
and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States
and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law
which shall abridge the privileges
or immunities of citizens of the United States;

[ABRIDGE]
{1. ...; to lessen; to diminish; to curtail; as, ...; to abridge power or rights.

{to Abridge:
3. To deprive; to cut off; -- followed by of, and formerly by from; as, to abridge one of his rights. http://machaut.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/WEBSTER.sh?WORD=abridge }

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to
their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding
Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors
for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress,
the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear
to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.


Amendment XV

Section 1. The RIGHT OF CITIZENS TO VOTE of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Amendment XVII

The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote.


Amendment XIX

The RIGHT OF CITIZENS of the United States TO VOTE shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Amendment XXIV

Section 1. The RIGHT OF CITIZENS of the United States TO VOTE in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.



Amendment XXVI

Section 1. The RIGHT OF CITIZENS of the United States, who are 18 years of age or older, TO VOTE, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state on account of age.

Section 2. The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.





CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 1 DECLARATION OF RIGHTS


SEC. 22. The right to vote or hold office may not be conditioned by a property qualification.



sec 7


(b) A citizen or class of citizens may not be granted privileges or immunities not granted on the same terms to all citizens. Privileges or immunities granted by the Legislature may be altered or revoked.

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 4 LEGISLATIVE

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 2 VOTING, INITIATIVE AND REFERENDUM, AND RECALL


SEC. 2. A UNITED STATES CITIZEN 18 YEARS OF AGE AND RESIDENT IN THIS STATE MAY VOTE.


CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 2 VOTING, INITIATIVE AND REFERENDUM, AND RECALL


SEC. 2.5. A voter who casts a vote in an election IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAWS OF THIS STATE
shall have that vote counted.

SEC. 8.5. An act amending an initiative statute, an act providing
for the issuance of bonds, or a constitutional amendment proposed by the Legislature and submitted to the voters



CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 2 VOTING, INITIATIVE AND REFERENDUM, AND RECALL


SEC. 11. (a) Initiative and referendum powers may be exercised bythe electors of each city or county under procedures that the Legislature shall provide. Except as provided in subdivisions (b)
and (c), this section does not affect a city having a charter.
(b) A city or county initiative measure shall not include or exclude any part of the city or county from the application or effect of its provisions based upon approval or disapproval of the
initiative measure, or based upon the casting of a specified
percentage of votes in favor of the measure, by the electors of the city or county or any part thereof.
(c) A city or county initiative measure shall not contain
alternative or cumulative provisions wherein one or more of those provisions would become law depending upon the casting of a specified percentage of votes for or against the measure.


CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 16 PUBLIC FINANCE


SEC. 18. (a) No county, city, town, township, BOARD OF EDUCATION, or school district, shall incur any indebtedness or liability in any manner or for any purpose exceeding in any year the income and revenue provided for such year, without the assent of two-thirds of the VOTERS of the public entity voting at an election to be held for
that purpose, except that with respect to any such public entity which is authorized to incur indebtedness for PUBLIC SCHOOL purposes, any proposition for the incurrence of indebtedness in the form of general obligation bonds for the purpose of repairing, reconstructing
or replacing public school buildings determined, in the manner prescribed by law, to be structurally unsafe for school use, shall be adopted upon the approval of a majority of the voters of the public entity voting on the proposition at such election; nor unless before or at the time of incurring such indebtedness provision shall be made
for the collection of an annual tax sufficient to pay the interest on such indebtedness as it falls due, and to provide for a sinking fund for the payment of the principal thereof, on or before maturity, which shall not exceed forty years from the time of contracting the
indebtedness.


(b) Notwithstanding subdivision (a), on or after the effective date of the measure adding this subdivision, in the case of any school district, community college district, or county office of education, any proposition for the incurrence of indebtedness in the
form of general obligation bonds for the construction,
reconstruction, rehabilitation, or replacement of school facilities, including the furnishing and equipping of school facilities, or the acquisition or lease of real property for school facilities, shall be adopted upon the approval of 55 percent of the voters of the district or county, as appropriate, voting on the proposition at an
election. This subdivision shall apply only to a proposition for the incurrence of indebtedness in the form of general obligation bonds for the purposes specified in this subdivision if the proposition meets all of the accountability requirements of paragraph (3) of
subdivision (b) of Section 1 of Article XIIIA.
(c) When two or more propositions for incurring any indebtedness or liability are submitted at the same election, the votes cast for and against each proposition shall be counted separately, and when two-thirds or a majority or 55 percent of the VOTERS, as the case may be, voting on any one of those propositions, vote in favor thereof,
the proposition shall be deemed adopted.



ARTICLE 13C [VOTER APPROVAL FOR LOCAL TAX LEVIES]


SECTION 1. Definitions. As used in this article:
(a) "General tax" means any tax imposed for general governmental
purposes.
(b) "Local government" means any county, city, city and county,including a charter city or county, any special district, or anyother local or regional governmental entity.
(c) "Special district" means an agency of the State, formed pursuant to general law or a special act, for the local performanceof governmental or proprietary functions with limited geographic boundaries including, but not limited to, SCHOOL DISTRICTS and redevelopment agencies.
(d) "Special tax" means any tax imposed for specific purposes, including a tax imposed for specific purposes, which is placed into a general fund.

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 13C [VOTER APPROVAL FOR LOCAL TAX LEVIES]


SEC. 2. Local Government Tax Limitation. Notwithstanding any other provision of this Constitution:
(a) All taxes imposed by any local government shall be deemed to be either general taxes or special taxes. Special purpose districts or agencies, including SCHOOL DISTRICTS, shall have no power to levy general taxes.
(b) No local government may impose, extend, or increase any general tax unless and until that tax is submitted to the electorate and approved by a majority vote.

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 11 LOCAL GOVERNMENT


SEC. 7.5. (a) A city or county measure proposed by the legislative body of a city, charter city, county, or charter county and submitted to the VOTERS for approval SHALL NOT DO EITHER OF THE FOLLOWING:

(1) INCLUDE or exclude any part of the city, charter city, county, or charter county from the application or effect of its provisions based upon approval or disapproval of the city or county measure, or based upon the casting of a specified percentage of votes in favor of the measure, by the electors of the city, charter city, county, charter county, or any part thereof.

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 9 EDUCATION


SEC. 3. A SUPERINTENDENT OF SCHOOLS FOR EACH COUNTY MAY BE ELECTED BY THE QUALIFIED ELECTORS THEREOF at each gubernatorial election or may be appointed by the county board of education, and the manner of the selection shall be determined by a MAJORITY VOTE OF THE ELECTORS
OF THE COUNTY voting on the question; provided, that two or more counties may, by an election conducted pursuant to Section 3.2 of this article, unite for the purpose of electing or appointing one joint superintendent for the counties so uniting.

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 9 EDUCATION


SEC. 3.2. Notwithstanding any provision of this Constitution to the contrary, any two or more chartered counties, or nonchartered counties, or any combination thereof, may, by a majority VOTE OF THE ELECTORS of each such county voting on the proposition at an election called for that purpose in each such county, establish one joint BOARD OF EDUCATION and one joint county superintendent of schools for
the counties so uniting. A joint county BOARD OF EDUCATION and a joint county superintendent of schools SHALL BE GOVERNED BY THE GENERAL STATUES
general statutes and shall not be governed by the provisions of any county charter.

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 9 EDUCATION


SEC. 3.3. Except as provided in Section 3.2 of this article, it shall be competent to provide in any charter framed for a county UNDER ANY PROVISION OF THIS CONSTITUTION, or by the amendment of any such charter, for the ELECTION OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COUNTYBOARD OF EDUCATION of such county and FOR THEIR QUALIFICATIONS and terms of office.

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 9 EDUCATION


SEC. 7. The Legislature shall provide for the appointment or
election of the State Board of Education and a board of education in each county or for the election of a joint county board of education for two or more counties.

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 9 EDUCATION


SEC. 14. The Legislature shall have power, by general law, to provide for the incorporation and organization of school districts, high school districts, and community college districts, of every kind and class, and may classify such districts.
The Legislature may authorize the governing boards of all school districts to initiate and carry on any programs, activities, or TO OTHERWISE ACT
IN ANY MANNER WHICH IS NOT IN CONFLICT WITH THE LAWS
and purposes for which school districts are established.

(b) Notwithstanding Section 3 of Article XI, when the boundaries of a school district or community college district extend beyond the limits of a city whose charter provides for any or all of the foregoing with respect to the members of its board of education, no charter amendment effecting a change in the manner in which, the times at which, or the terms for which the members of the BOARD OF EDUCATION
SHALL BE ELECTED or appointed, FOR THEIR QUALIFICATIONS,
compensation, or removal, or for the number which shall constitute such board, shall be adopted unless it is submitted to and approved by a majority of all the qualified electors of the school district or community college district voting on the question. Any such amendment, and any portion of a proposed charter or a revised charter which would establish or change any of the foregoing provisions
respecting a board of education, shall be submitted to the electors of the school district or community college district as one or more separate questions. The failure of any such separate question to be approved shall have the result of continuing in effect the applicable
existing law with respect to that board of education.

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 7 PUBLIC OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES


SEC. 9. Notwithstanding any other provision of this Constitution, no person or organization which advocates the overthrow of the Government of the United States or the State by force or violence or other unlawful means or WHO ADVOCATES THE SUPPORT THE SUPPORT OF A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT against the United States in the event of hostilities
shall:
(a) Hold any office or employment under this State, including but not limited to the University of California, or with any county, city or county, city, district, political subdivision, authority, BOARD, bureau, commission or other public agency of this State; or
(b) Receive any exemption from any tax imposed by this State or any county, city or county, city, district, political subdivision,
authority, BOARD, bureau, commission or other public agency of this
State.
The Legislature shall enact such laws as may be necessary to enforce the provisions of this section.

31835: "Any use, by any individual, society, group or organization for the commission of any act intended to further any program or movement the purpose of which is to
accomplish the overthrow of the government of the U.S or of the state by force, violence or other UNLAWFUL means while using school property pursuant to the provisions of this chapter is guilty of a misdemeanor".

38136: "No governing board of a school district shall grant the use of any school property to any person or organization for any use in violation of Section 38135."


77 posted on 07/21/2004 2:58:32 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (Foreigners not allowed on Mexican school boards?: Mex. Const., Chap. III, Art.33)
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To: Smogger

Amazing how far bin Laden's followers and others wanting to destroy this country have managed to infiltrate it. Newsome must be jumping with joy.


78 posted on 07/21/2004 2:59:58 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: Smogger

Are they going to allow the illegals to vote on the measure to allow illegals to vote? It's only fair.


79 posted on 07/21/2004 3:10:17 PM PDT by Flint
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To: Regulator; Conspiracy Guy; B4Ranch; Carry_Okie
Excellent reply! Kudos to you for speaking the truth. here is a nice (appropriate) musical interlude. A song about sovereignty. Keep up the good fight! ;-)

Time is running out


our time is running out
and our time is running out
you can't push it underground
we can't stop it screaming out
how did it come to this
you will suck the life out of me
bury it
I won't let you bury it
I won't let you smother it
I won't let you murder it
our time is running out
and our time is running out
you can't push it underground
we can't stop it screaming out
how did it come to this

(Okay, so the song isn't really about sovereignty- but it sure sounds good! ;-D)

LONG LIVE U.S. SOVEREIGNTY..

80 posted on 07/21/2004 3:16:01 PM PDT by MindFire
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