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S.F. OKs ballot measure allowing non-citizens the right to vote
The Kansas City Star/Knight Ridder ^ | JESSIE MANGALIMAN

Posted on 07/21/2004 11:14:44 AM PDT by Smogger

SAN JOSE, Calif. - (KRT) - The San Francisco Board of Supervisors on Tuesday agreed to place a controversial ballot measure on the November ballot that could make the city the first in California to allow non-citizens to vote in local school board elections.

Under the proposed charter amendment change, parents or guardians of children in San Francisco schools - including undocumented immigrants - would be allowed to vote.

"I believe this is important because it further democratizes our society," said board president Matt Gonzalez, author of the initiative. The board voted 9-2 to place the measure on the ballot for a city vote.

But Supervisor Fiona Ma, one of two supervisors who voted against the measure, said she opposed it because she believes only U.S. citizens should have the right to vote.

"We start going down a slippery slope when we start giving special privileges," Ma said. "There is no question that improving our schools should be a priority for this body. But expanding voting rights to non-citizens does nothing to further those ends."

San Francisco has attempted to extend voting rights to non-citizens in the past. In 1996, a state judge struck down an attempt by some residents to allow non-citizens to vote in all municipal elections. The judge ruled that the proposal conflicted with the California constitution, which requires U.S. citizenship to vote.

Supporters of the new ballot measure said they are confident that this time, with the narrow focus on local school board elections, the proposal will stand up to a legal challenge.

"It's important because it integrates residents of the city who are disenfranchised in the decision-making process in schools," said Carlo Petroni, a founder of Movimiento de los derechos des inmigrantes, (Movement for Immigrant Rights), a San Francisco group that's campaigning to get the ballot measure approved. "It's good policy and it's good government."


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; alienvote; aztlaniscoming; fliberals; illegalimmigrants; immigrantlist; immigration; sanfrancisco; vote
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To: RockinRight

In time I believe that will happen, by an Act of God!
Nature has not been kind to the Left Coast as of late.
Ops4 God BLess America!


21 posted on 07/21/2004 11:25:17 AM PDT by OPS4
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To: RockinRight
THEN WHY EVEN BOTHER BEING A CITIZEN?
22 posted on 07/21/2004 11:27:40 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
Why don't they send absentee ballots to the world.

.....and that's the basis of the logic as to exactly why it should never be allowed.

23 posted on 07/21/2004 11:28:18 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: Carry_Okie

Injunction for what?

I applaud this effort... Let San Francisco be the social experiment failures of the 21st century. 10 years of non-citizens voting in their elections and they will get sick of it.


24 posted on 07/21/2004 11:29:41 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (John F-ing Kerry??? NO... F-ING... WAY!!!)
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To: Carry_Okie
Injunction time

No, It's culling time.

25 posted on 07/21/2004 11:30:27 AM PDT by OXENinFLA ( "Saddam Hussein and his sons must leave Iraq within 48 hours."....49-1/2 hrs. Later, the Bombs hit.)
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To: Smogger

"The Peoples Republic of San Francisco"

Please Lord....break it off from my state and let it float away!


26 posted on 07/21/2004 11:31:12 AM PDT by afnamvet (Where facts are few, experts are many...Donald R. Gannon)
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To: Smogger

As I sit here in my office in the heart of San Francisco, I would gladly sacrifice myself to see SF fall away into the ocean as alluded to by RockinRight. I am already so disgusted with this city... and now this... what next? I've actually got an attorney here in my office today as we prepare to fight the city of SF for a stupid tax issue over a few hundred dollars that is preventing us from doing business in SF. We have been here 19 years and now they are saying we can't do business with the city. Makes me sick. God help this city.


28 posted on 07/21/2004 11:32:22 AM PDT by dad4america
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To: Veggie Todd
I've heard EVERYTHING now. Holy Cow, what the heck is going on????

The implementation of long term goals of the enemies of the United States, that's what. Non-citizen voting has been a goal of the Left for better than 60 years - to vote in socialism, and take the country away from its citizens.

The entire idea here is to give the vote to illegal aliens, the entire citizen franchise. School board voting is just the Camel's nose under the tent. Next comes municipal elections, then state elections, then citizenship on demand.

When anyone on earth can simply get on a plane, land in the U.S., and start voting for socialist candidates who promise to "take things from you" as a rather well known ex-first lady recently said, what do you think will be the outcome?

The Communists know, and they are well on their way to the implementation of outcome, ably aided and abetted by the leadership of the Republican Party, who look increasingly like the rope buyers that Lenin spoke of.

And that comment would apply to a lot of starry-eyed political myopes on this forum as well.

29 posted on 07/21/2004 11:33:54 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: Smogger
On a slightly different subject but related. If I own property or a business in San Francisco or any other city than where my primary residence is, shouldn't I be able to vote in the local part of the election, otherwise it amounts to taxation without representation?
30 posted on 07/21/2004 11:36:07 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: RSmithOpt

PC idiots really get under my skin. Is SF asking for the UN to oversee their voting process?


31 posted on 07/21/2004 11:38:18 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Sir Guy de la Conspiracie, kuh-nigget extraordinaire. RKBA & Insane Clown Posse since 7/04)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
I applaud this effort... Let San Francisco be the social experiment failures of the 21st century. 10 years of non-citizens voting in their elections and they will get sick of it.

In case you hadn't noticed, they already are. You can thank them that there is GLBT education in your public skewels.

While the madness grows around you, you pretend to think it can be isolated. Our fight is your fight. Why not let that be the effort instead?

32 posted on 07/21/2004 11:41:03 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Privatizating environmental regulation is critical to national defense.)
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To: Smogger

"Bring out your dead"


33 posted on 07/21/2004 11:41:50 AM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: Regulator
The Communists know, and they are well on their way to the implementation of outcome, ably aided and abetted by the leadership of the Republican Party, who look increasingly like the rope buyers that Lenin spoke of.

And that comment would apply to a lot of starry-eyed political myopes on this forum as well.

Precisely. To let them get away with this, thinking it can be isolated is the dumbest thing we can do. Best we blow away this beast on its home turf.

34 posted on 07/21/2004 11:43:04 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Privatizating environmental regulation is critical to national defense.)
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To: Smogger

1776: No taxation without representation!

2004: Representation without taxation!


36 posted on 07/21/2004 11:43:37 AM PDT by johnfrink
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To: Carry_Okie
You can thank them that there is GLBT education in your public skewels.

No, you can thank uninformed, non-involved parents for that...

37 posted on 07/21/2004 11:46:02 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (John F-ing Kerry??? NO... F-ING... WAY!!!)
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To: Smogger

Well I've been told by a number of people here that illegal immigration is no problem at all. Let's there those 'dear folks' explain this one away.


39 posted on 07/21/2004 11:51:28 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Fox News is Fair and Balanced. Move-on.org is Bare and Imbalanced.)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
No, you can thank uninformed, non-involved parents for that...

So where were you when we were fighting that in San Francisco?

They're in your neighborhood too.

40 posted on 07/21/2004 11:51:39 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Privatizating environmental regulation is critical to national defense.)
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